Muhūrta and Praśna 13

This, that, this taxation, this minus…. that plus….you donate that…then you get… finish up the whole thing. The more complicated you make it, the more corruption will be there in the system. That will not go so easily. It will go slowly.

Student: how do we apply cara kāraka to this….

Guruji: 5th lord with Rāhu indicates many Indians will go abroad from the viewpoint of money matters. For trade, India will start going out for trade.

Gurvi Ji: What are the (…unaudible…) of population being come down?

Guruji: The population is 1…… How much are we now?? 10 billion or 1 billion… or more?

Student: 1.2

Guruji: 1.2 billion. But I think that the population has already been stabilized in many states. If you have got information, if you have been observing, like Odisha is one of the states, is my states, where it has actually stagnated and has started coming down. Odisha’s is already falling, Kerala has stagnated, Bihar’s was the one which was actually going up, less children now. the population has already stagnated in many parts.

Student: This thing is depending on the deal?

Guruji: This deal will only accelerate the process of fall of population.

Gurvi Ji: he thought that….

Guruji: There will not be… nobody is going to blow a Nuclear Bomb because of purely for the reason of economics. Number one, when you blow a bomb, the price of the bomb is gone, you can’t sell it anymore. You see, the problems with the politicians of India and Pakistan, is that they always weigh the options. Number 1, if I sell the bomb, how much money will I get; and 2, how much I will get if I blow it. If you blow it, you get nothing. If you sell it, you get tons of money. Everything is economics. Economics is going to dominate the thinking of the people, Mercury.

Student: (inaudible)

Guruji: Territory is not going to… because 4th lord is in 10th.

Student: But, the pada of 4th house, A4 and the 11th

Guruji: Pada of 4th house has got nothing to do with actual territory. Physical territory is the 4th lord. Pada of 4th house, is Sukh. Who is bothered about Sukh nowadays?

Students: A11 and A4 have joined in Lagna.

Guruji: Those are… don’t complicate issues.

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: No, the only thing we are… we are very… you know, it’s like this: we could have got sickness, but if you look at the deal very carefully, international safeguards will come. This is what we want. You see we Indians are very scared that given, if we leave it to our own engineers like MCD, to handle something like a Nuclear Power Station, we had it. We don’t need Pakistan to blow India up. They will blow us up. Somebody will take some 10% commission or some 2% commission in making some rod, and some pushing it….you know, some corruption and down the line, the quality will be compromised. They will blow it up. They will just blow the reactor themselves. You don’t need enemies to do that. And, it is not that somebody has made a mistake. It is just that 10% thing working, blow it up. Our only alternative is, when we have international safeguards, the quality standards will be ensured. Rightly, it is good for India. We are safer if we have those quality standards. Because we ourselves have lost the sense of quality.

Students: So, how would you read the end flow in the 5th house/

Guruji: It is good. End of enmity. Jupiter in the 6th is “end of enmity”. In a very peculiar way, it has happened. Viparīta Rājayoga. In a very peculiar way! Calmly observe what Budha did when he was going back to America; so, 8th lord in the 6th is taking place. Chinese are already here, they are talking about the… sorting out the border issues. We should be done in a year. It is very good. From every view point, it is superb for India, excepting the population.

Student: 6th lord is also not enemy, and there is no ṣaḍāṣṭaka in this case. (Venus is lord of both)

Guruji: It’s a very very good muhurta chart, whoever has made it. Whoever has picked up the muhurta, has picked up a super muhurta. No doubt on that; very good muhurta chart.

Gurvi Ji: why did you say “for population, it’s bad”. I mean this is a general…….

Guruji: No. No. Saturn and Rāhu are aspecting, Diseases could come, so many things could come. Haven’t you seen this scare of that… bird flu, brain fever… Ketu: Brain Fever. She is right.

Gurvi Ji: That actually was a pressure. When it is a normal, something external has to happen to decrease population like this

Guruji: yes. something will happen. Saturn may give disease.

Guruji: Okay, now, having studies the whole chart from the Lagna, next it to study it from ārūḍha. Where is Ārūḍha Lagna?

Student: Kanyā

Guruji: In Kanyā. Now, make Kanyā as the first house and look at all the planets, and tell me, which planets are good and which planets are bad.

Student: Mars is good.

Guruji: Correct, Mars is very good in the 9th house. So, that means our protection is increasing. Venus in the 5th is very superb. She is right. What about the 7th house?

Student: Mercury, Rāhu and Moon are in the position. They are standing on the door.

Guruji: That means, terrorism, this Rāhu is going to increase. Terrorism will increase. Terrorism will increase in the country. In rapid, measures, terrorism will increase. What else? Moon with Rāhu?

Student: (inaudible)

Guruji: Terrible terrorism will increase. The population could be really in fear.

Student: even after… immediately afterwards, there was a bomb blast and all that.

Guruji: yes, this will increase. Everywhere they are finding bombs, and in Bombay, they have just found a bomb. Have you read that? Everywhere they are finding bombs now.

Gurvi Ji: (unclear)

Guruji: bādhaka. Rāhu in bādhaka from Ārūḍha. Rāhu-Chandra Yoga in bādhaka from Ārūḍha. Saturn in the 11th from ārūḍha. Income will shoot up. Labor income will shoot up. That means, overall, the cheap labor story which was there in India, that is going to end. In the next 10 to 15 years, that cheap-labor story will be over. Indian Labor will also become expensive. Ekadash Śani: labor will go up.

Student: ( not clear)

Guruji: No, no, no, no, no. When Saturn is giving you money, you will get a lot of money.

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Student: Budha is in 7th from ārūḍha Lagna.

Guruji: Look at the signs from a money point of view. Jupiter is in 2nd and Saturn is in 11th, what do you want. All planets are really superb excepting Rāhu in bādhaka with debilitated Mercury: completely bad combination. Terrorism.

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: Maybe. Maybe.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Whose mistake? It is not. Ketu is a mistake; Rāhu is not a mistake. Rāhu is something done deliberately. Full mind. Full application of mind. Rāhu is the complete and total application of mind. Ketu is a mistake. Terrorists are of two kinds. One, who actually believe in God and who actually believe that what they are doing is good for the religion or that faith. That is a mistake. But, when planned, and the bombing that is done, that is Rāhu. Because somebody has applied the mind to that planning. In 9/11, airplanes went and hit that building. Somebody master planned that whole thing. Is it not? Whoever master planned that whole thing, that person will be ruled by Rāhu. You must clearly differentiate. The pilot is ruled by Ketu. Rāhu and Ketu need each other for their operation. Rāhu cannot work without Ketu, and Ketu cannot work without Rāhu. It’s a very peculiar situation. Why? Because Rāhu has only head and he does not have hands to execute. Ketu has got very powerful hands to execute, but he does not have a head that will think. So, Rāhu and Ketu need each other. Okay? that is going to go up. So, that was our understanding. So, Rāhu is definitely bad.

Student: is it that… “peace” will definitely be a question.

Guruji: in which part will it happen more? Mercury means north. So, it will happen in north India more. It will happen in the entire north-India plane, Mercury plane. Which place is ruled by Mercury? Varāhamihira’s Bṛhat Saṃhitā. Uttar Pradesh. The entire UP belt. Uttar Pradesh is ruled by Mercury.

Student: But will it just be terrorism or the money matters will also be there

Guruji: So many things. Money matters will also come in. Kidnappings will work: Rāhu with Moon. Kidnapping will go up. Terrorist extortion.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Yes, because in the Indian Independence Chart, the 5th house is ruled by Mercury. So, when Mercury is getting hit, when Mercury is indicating the population, and Mercury takes a beating, that means it will happen more in the northern part of the country. If the 5th lord is Mars, then it will happen in the south part of the Country. If it is Sūrya, it will happen in the east. Depending on, who is the lord and what is the house. Wherever the house is, there it will happen.

Students: Should we move to south

Guruji: no, that will be cowardice. See your own horoscope.

Gurvi Ji: That will depend upon your own chart. Even if you plan to move to south, say you have to get blown up by terrorist, the day you will plan and the day you will catch the train, that train will have a bomb. So, it is not going to work. So, it all depends upon your own horoscope. Your ārūḍha should not have Rāhu in 3rd or 8th house. If it has, still also, it is better. At least, you will not suffer and die, it will be done with a shock. You know halāl? You know God can do Jhatka or he can do halāl with you, if it is halāl, you will have disease: 10 year disease. Whereas if it is a jhaṭkā, then one shot, one bomb, or this thing, and over. So, the question of what is good and what is bad, is up to you to choose. What is God doing with you. If you on principle agree that there should be no jhaṭkā or no halāl, then God will say okay, I will throw away the weapon and choose some other means. Okay? This Chart is clear now? Just the Rāśi chart. Okay.

PRASHNA

Guruji: Praśna. The next question was a praśna. What was the praśna Lagna?

Student: Leo

Guruji: Siṃha Lagna. Please tell the chart. Those of you who don’t have the chart, can write it now.

Student: Siṃha Lagna. Ketu in 2nd,

Guruji: Ketu in 2nd,

Student: Jupiter in 3rd. Venus in….

Guruji: Slowly slowly slowly…. Leo Lagna, hmm

Student: Ketu in 2nd, Jupiter in 3rd in retrogradation. Venus in 6th. Sūrya in 7th. Mercury retro and Rāhu in 8th. Maṅgala and Moon in 10th house.

Guruji: Mars and Moon in 10th house.

Gurvi Ji: is it a praśna chart or Rāśi?

Guruji: Praśna. Praśna chart in which we want to know that the elections are going to be… referendum is going to be held… what is the referendum?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: right now, it is one country called Serbia and Montenegro. Montenegro is today, with Serbia.

It is actually two countries. they are having separate govt. They are having one ministry. For many matters, they are forming as a union. Question is that whether Montenegro should continue in this union or leave this union. The question was asked by a person who was genuinely concerned about the welfare of Montenegro.

Student: What should we take as the place for Praśna

Guruji: The praśna is asked by the person. So, the person is asked by the person. So, the person asking this thing, is the Lagna, so, Lagna is indicating the person who is asking this question. Try to describe the person to me. Take Lagna as indicating the person.

Student: The Lagna lord, is Sūrya. So, the person is in authority

Guruji: Yes, he is a person in great authority. No doubt about it. Okay? What is his stand? Does he support?

Student: because he has gone to the 7th house, he is on the other side, according to the chart. So, becoming independent is Lagna. Continuing with this partnership with Serbia is… The person asking this is from Montenegro. He has gone to 7th house. 7th house means partnership. He wants partnership. Okay, fine. What else. He wants partnership. But then Sūrya is also looking at Lagna, so, he is neutral. Which is the house…. the question is pertaining to which house?

Student: 5th house.

Guruji: Why 5th house?

Students: 10th house,

Guruji: why 10th house?

Student: because of the independence or the partnership. That is a very… closest so far is 7th. But that is still not the correct answer. 7th house is continuing with the partnership. 4th house is: continuing in territory or breaking the territory.

Student: oh… it’s 4th house

Guruji: First find out in any praśna, the most important thing is to carefully apply your mind, and find out which house is the praśna in? It is caused the praśna bhāva. The mind is in which bhāva. It is very crucial. If you do not get the bhāva correctly, your entire praśna analysis will go wrong. Praśna bhāva is the bhāva in which the praśna is based. here the praśna bhāva is the 4th house. It is about the Montenegro. Will the territory of Montenegro will be with Serbia, or the territory will become independent from Serbia. That is the question. That is the referendum. Elections are going to take place. Referendum will take place in June.

What do you say. Where is the 4th lord?

Students: 10th house

Guruji: 4th lord is in 10th house having digbala and with an exalted Moon and it is aspecting Lagna. (mars is aspecting Lagna). But Moon is 12th lord and it is exalted.

Student: Mars and Moon are forming Rudra Yoga,

Guruji: Rudra Yoga. People of Montenegro are great warriors, keep that in mind. Correctly indicated by Mars. There are two sections of the people. The whole population of Montenegro are divided into two parts, One half is fully supporting Serbia, other half is says that “no, we want our independence”.

Students: situation is very….

Guruji: Why is it so? Because there are two lords of the fourth house. One is Mars who is having digbala and it is fighting with Chandra and wish to continue in the relationship. They are saying that our relationship should continue in foreign affairs only. Otherwise they are independent. Montenegro is independent. Serbia is independent. They are having common foreign affairs ministry and other two or three ministries are common. Otherwise, they are federation and are totally free. So, large section Mars, Mars says that we should continue. Ketu is saying ” no, we should split”. Why? Ketu is in 2nd house of family. We would like to define our own family and we are different from the serbs.

Student: you said that the 5th lord is retrograde.

Guruji: right, but is in 3rd house, in marana kāraka in bad shape.

Student: So, I am thinking instead of going backwards, that is moving forwards. People want to go back

Guruji: yes. So, tell me what will happen?

Student: unclear

Guruji: totally.

Students: unclear

Guruji: Most important thing is the two houses. Lagna and the praśna-bhāva. Lagna lord is aspecting Lagna and 4th lord is aspecting 4th house. 4th lord is having digbala. Both are Agni planets. Mars and Sun; having tremendous Agni bala. That means that the praśna will be successful. That means the referendum will take place. And, are they going to become independent? Mars is having more digbala and strength than Ketu. Ketu is very weak. So, Mars will win. So, that means they will continue in the position they are continuing.

Students: unclear

Guruji: Right now in Montenegro, if they break away, then just like any other tiny Croatia, nobody will know that a country even exists. In fact, you know you open the map some countries are there, you have to search for them and you have to the internet and type the name and find them. A tiny village converted into a country. It is obvious from here, that Mars will win. What does the Army want, that will happen.

Student: mars is in exalted navāṃśa.

Guruji: in exalted navāṃśa? It will happen. Mars will win. Definitely. Is it possible that this person can be in over and be the president of the country? Sun is in exalted navāṃśa. And when we say navāṃśa, it is sure that bhagya is very high and shining. Today, Lagna lord is in 7th house. Today, his wife is in danger. They will definitely try to shoot him out. But in the days to come, He will get American support, and all the support he can get.

He is likely to win very strongly. This man is a hardcore democrat. He wants democracy to come to country. This Madness must go. These feudalistic and communistic ideas must get out, democracy should come.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Montenegro.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: That is good. Even stronger. Sun with Ketu is very strong.

Student: 12th house is also marana kāraka

Guruji: that is why his life is in danger. specially in the past, navāṃśa.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: in divisions also, it’s very important to check which division; and specially navāṃśa. But if you see personal charts. In the personal chart, if you have the kāraka in a particular varga, is in marana kāraka in that varga, that divisional chart will get hit very badly. You see any horoscope. You see a horoscope in which Śukra is in 6th……but from the bhāva. For example, if we are seeing navāṃśa, so we have to see Śukra. So, Śukra must be in 6th house from 7th house, for that division to get hit hit very badly.

Student: from Lagna?

Guruji: why is it from Lagna? From the bhāva…. varga should be seen from the bhāva. A varga has to do with certain bhāva. For example, Śukra in the 12th house. You take any navāṃśa with Śukra in the 12th house, serious problem. Unless that Śukra is extremely well placed; it is showing serious problems in marriage. Serious problems in marriage. Okay?

Student: 10th house… it is from the 10th house.

Guruji: Mercury. It is from 10th house. For example, somebody has Mercury in 4th house, they will be telling, “I am having Mercury in kendra, this and that…. Nothing! I have seen one case. Dhanus Lagna with Mercury in the 4th house. Everybody was telling him, “fantastic, this and that….”. I said, “when Mercury period comes, your business will finish & collapse, you will be on the road”. Then I told him, “wait for Ketu to come, you will again become millionaire”. He again became millionaire. Today, he is the biggest names for HDFC Loans and Housing Finance and all that stuff, in Mumbai. That’s it. From the kāraka house.

Student: There in the nuclear chart of Indo-US, 5th house was affected by Rāhu and Saturn. Here, 9th house is affected by Rāhu and Saturn. So, we can say that the global position is……

Guruji: Yes, because the present regime is highly corrupt. Very bad name they have got, and a very bad reputation they have got. So, this is how we saw the prashnas. Okay somebody was telling me they don’t know how to see praśna chart.

How do you see praśna chart? What are the main principles of seeing praśna chart?

Right? We need to know what are the main principles. In any praśna, first principle is that all the rules that you have read about jātaka, about horoscopy, will fully apply to praśna. All the rules will fully apply. That’s one. Two: varga charts, will not apply in the same manner. You cannot use navāṃśa for spouse, or dvādaśāṃśa for parents in praśna. You cannot do that. The first rule is that “in the Rāśi chakra, all the rules that you have applied to jātaka, will apply to the praśna”. Second rule: the vargas are to be studied differently. Now, who will tell me. For example, if I have to see spouse, from which divisional chart, will I see spouse?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: D12 dvādaśāṃśa, is for wife. In praśna, dvādaśāṃśa is for wife. In which one will I see father?

Students: D45

Guruji: there is nothing called d45 in praśna. Praśna does not use d45. Praśna uses only…. how many vargas? Ṣoḍaśa varga: when we talk of divisional charts, how many schemes are there? There are four schemes. Right? One is ṣoḍaśa varga, one is daśa varga, one is sapta varga, and ṣaḍvargas ṣaḍvargas. So, in jātaka, we use daśa varga, normally 10 vargas are used in jātaka. In raja jātaka, that is the horoscopes of Kings, and big people, we use ṣoḍaśa varga, 16 vargas. Why? Their lineage is very important. Your great grandfather did some terrible karma, so not only your will suffer, your people will also have to suffer. We have to see that. So, Ṣoḍaśa varga for raja jātaka. Then we have mudane chart. You know what are mundane charts? In mundane charts, we use…. Mundane chart is like horoscope of countries, just like we were doing just now. Just now we did mundane chart of Indo US Nuclear Deal… like that… ṣaḍvarga. And, in praśna, we use sapta varga 7 vargas. And, you should know which varga is to be used for what purpose in praśna. Praśna: varga or divisional chart can be used for multiple purposes. For example, navāṃśa has to do with father, navāṃśa also have to do with the past. Navāṃśa is the past, Rāśi is vartamāna, for now, for one year. And, drekkāṇa is for future, bhaviṣyat. Which drekkāṇa are you going to use for this purpose? You have to use jagannath drekkāṇa. Jagannātha drekkāṇa we are using the name for this purpose. This drekkāṇa is also used in Candrakalā Nāḍī by the kerala astrologer for praśna jātaka.

Student: also for children?

Guruji: yes, d3 is to be used, but that is the regular d3, parasara d3. Okay? These are subtle things, but they make a lot of differences. Now you see? So, when we make a praśna chart, I have what I call “a handful of rules”. I do not mug up all this. I cannot remember you know? My memory is becoming weak as I am becoming older. So, I have only few rules, I remember the rules. If I can remember the rules, everything else will fall in place. Silly things: Lagna, praśna bhāva, and kāraka: three factors. These factors are the factors, based upon which I give a prediction. Only three things: Lagna, praśna bhāva, and kāraka. For example, if somebody makes a praśna…. Yoga…what is yoga? Yoga means connection between them. Yoga is nothing but connection between them. For example, if the Lagna lord is in praśna bhāva, lord of praśna bhāva is in Lagna, then it’s a yoga. If Lagna lord is aspecting praśna bhāva, praśna bhāva lord is aspecting Lagna, that is a yoga? Third is kāraka: if kāraka is aspecting Lagna, or if kāraka is aspecting praśna bhāva, that is also: either one of the two is a yoga. If kāraka is aspecting both, it is definitely yoga. Or if kāraka is conjoined the lord of Lagna and is aspecting praśna bhāva, that is also yoga. What is yoga? Yoga is coming together of these three factors. If all the three factors come together, that means yoga is complete. It will succeed. The praśna will succeed. Positive result is guaranteed. If none of three come together, negative result is guaranteed. So if out of the three two come together, means 50% success. And if only one; if you make effort, there is 25% luck that will come. Okay? Okay. Now, let us take a case in which a lady asked me a question about father’s health. She is very worried about her father’s health. When she asked me, we made a praśna horoscope. Praśna horoscope is made for the station of the astrologer. Why is it made for the station of the astrologer? Because the astrologer himself is saṃvatsara. You are the saṃvatsara. Have you heard of the name Saṃvatsara? Saṃvatsara means year. It also means, perfect vedic astrologer. So, when a praśna is made to you, you are the saṃvatsara, you are the representative of Sūrya. When I am an astrologer, and I take a horoscope in front of me, at that moment, I am the representative of Sūrya. I have to play the role of Ram. If I fail, I will be punished by Sūrya. So, be very careful when you take somebody’s horoscope in front of you, remember, somebody else is seeing or not seeing, Sūrya is watching you. Don’t forget this even by mistake. All astrologers will suffer when they have the horoscopes in front of them, and they do not do dharma. That is the reason why, you scratch an astrologer, he is suffering. He is suffering, to that extent, when the horoscope was in front of him, he did not do his dharma. Be very careful. Okay? So, what do you have to do? You have to look at the Lagna. You make all the mistakes; no problems, but do not misguide. Okay? Do not misguide. I have for example; I have got a mail today, yesterday he had come, if you read that mail, your blood will boil that such Vedic Astrologers are existing in this country. One lady has come to Chennai, what has done with that lady by an astrologer, if you read that, your blood will boil. Nearly, 2000$ already done. unbelievable. What these astrologers are doing?

So, when you have the chart in front of you, first thing you see, is the Lagna, Lagna lord. Number one: is the Lagna afflicted or not? Does the Lagna has pāpa-kartarī yoga or śubha-kartarī yoga? Does the Lagna have śubha dṛṣṭi or pāpa dṛṣṭi? All these factors about Lagna, look at the Lagna= very carefully. Two: lord of Lagna. Is the lord of Lagna in the kārya bhāva? Or aspecting kārya bhāva? No? Then is it aspecting Lagna? In this particular praśna, the Lagna lord Sūrya is aspecting Lagna or not? graha dṛṣṭi is there. rāśi dṛṣṭi is not there. If rāśi dṛṣṭi is there, it is very very good. graha dṛṣṭi is there? Because of the icchā śakti, it will happen. Okay? If rāśi dṛṣṭi is there, whether you have desire or you don’t have desire, it will happen. So, Lagna lord is aspecting Lagna, 4th lord is Mars, the chart which you did just now. Montenegro chart: 4th lord Mars is aspecting 4th house: superb, guaranteed success. Why do you have to see more? It is aspecting Lagna also, the yoga is complete. And who is the kāraka of the praśna?

Student: Moon

Guruji: How is the Moon the kāraka?

Students: (unclear)

Guruji: who is kāraka of this praśna. What is the praśna about? Think carefully, it’s not about authority, they already have authority.

Students: it’s about territory.

Guruji: It’s about territory. Mars. It is Mars. And, Mars is aspecting the Lagna and the 4th house. it is about to happen. They are sovereign now.

Verma Ji: just the territory.

Guruji: It is just the question that they should merge or should they not. Should they continue in this thing or should they have their own foreign office? This only one department will come more. What is the need? Security reasons. For security reasons, they will continue. Mars: security.

Student: Jupiter and Venus are aspecting by rāśi dṛṣṭi.

Guruji: what that will do for us? Ohh… that is good, that is good. Yes, you are right. From the Lagna, and Jupiter is also having…. that is on the Lagna. That is good. These are good signs. Very good signs. In one case, I got a praśna. I was seeing a praśna, in the internet you know, we have this list, that girl gave the praśna, Dhanus was the Lagna, Śani was aspecting it, and Chandra was also aspecting it. Dhanus Lagna: Lagna is aspected by Śani and by Chandra by rāśi dṛṣṭi. Śani was in saptam and in digbala, 2003-04 praśna when Śani was in Mithuna Rāśi. Praśna was about the father’s health, whether the father will come out of this thing or not. Doctors had said…. He just had heart attack in the night, she had come back from the hospital and send the praśna. We saw the praśna, and in night we had replied, “in 2 days time, your father will be back”. Every else said, “there is danger… this and that……8th lord Moon is aspecting the Lagna, Śani aspecting the Lagna, 2nd lord aspecting Lagna in 7th house, there is danger to life”. I was like “what kind of praśna they are doing”. What praśna are you doing? What 8th lord and this lord? It is the question pertaining to disease, right? Which is the kārya bhāva? 8th house!. So, if the 8th lord is aspecting Lagna, it is good. Lord of kārya bhāva is aspecting Lagna.

Student: will we take Lagna or will we take 9th house for the father?

Guruji: From the 9th house, you will take… for father…. but if the 8th lord is aspecting the Lagna, as far as praśna is concerned, it is very good. Śani is aspecting or not, see, if the disease… See, there is a standard rule in jyotiṣa, if the Praśna is for Disease, and Śani aspects Lagna, surely the patient will recover.

Student: why?

Guruji: Because Śani is the Kāraka.

Student: Śani is the kāraka of diseases, so it will cause diseases?

Guruji: No, No, No. The diseases will improve. See the rule…

Gurvi Ji: So, what is it going to be…… suppose the disease is not going to be okay, the person is about to get more sick or whatever, shouldn’t…….

Guruji: then, Śani will not have anything to do with the Lagna, not the 8th house.

Gurvi: it’s opposite of jātaka in this case.

Guruji: Yeah. See, praśna is to be used as jātaka if you are doing a general analysis. But, as far as the praśna is concerned, you will have to apply the three rule.

Student: So, Saturn is showing that the disease is there as per jātaka.

Guruji: yes, disease is there, and he is getting cured from the diseases.

Student: that is according to the praśna?

Guruji: Yes, Praśna. Because of praśna.

But in jātaka, if Saturn is aspecting Lagna, the person will be very hard working but he can be diseased also. If Saturn is aspecting 3rd from ārūḍha Lagna also, he can also die from disease. I am yet to see a horoscope, if you can show it to me, where Saturn is aspecting 3rd from ārūḍha Lagna and the person has not died from disease. I will be very happy if you can show it to me. One, even one, one or two, I’ll be very happy. Ramakrishna Paramahaṃsa, even he died from cancer, Saturn aspects 3rd from ārūḍha Lagna, no escape, I’m telling you there is just no escape from these rules. No matter, how much we break our heads, this is what is called “vidhātā has written this”. This is the way you will die; you will die means you will die. That’s it. 3rd from ārūḍha Lagna, it will not fail. This one was just an example, I was telling Sagittarius Lagna, Saturn in 7th house.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Jātaka; 3rd from ārūḍha; jātaka.

Student: and the dṛṣṭi should be?

Guruji: rāśi dṛṣṭi. graha dṛṣṭi is desire who wants to die, who wants to? If you have a desire “Bhagavān will give me death by disease”, who desires like that? Why would you have such a desire? I do not know anybody who has such a desire.

Student: aspecting Lagna Sir?

Guruji: Yes, if Śani aspects Lagna, then you have the disease but it will go. In praśna. Provided the praśna is pertaining to disease. If somebody is asking a praśna, about money, ‘you think my money is stuck, and will I get the money?”. And if you find Śani looking at Lagna, then either the person is going to get diseases, or the money will be stolen. You see the difference? Lagna is Satya Pīṭha: that which WILL happen. Lagna is Satya, truth; it will happen. So, if the question is pertaining to money, kāraka for money is jupiter, but if Śani is aspecting Lagna instead of Jupiter, the money will get stolen. If the enemy of the kāraka aspects the Lagna, he will destroy the kāraka’s significations. If say, the praśna is pertaining to disease, and if Maṅgala is aspecting Lagna, and Maṅgala is not 8th lord, and not Lagna lord, he will kill the person.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Sun is not that inimical to Saturn. Saturn is inimical to Sun. Mars is the one which is highly inimical to Saturn. Śani is the son of Sūrya. Where you will have good health, you will also have disease. That is how it is father-son relationship. Saturn teaches you to value his father, when you don’t respect his father he says: “Oh, I see, You don’t respect my father? I will show you how to respect him”. When he gives you a terrible disease then you sit day and night and do Oṃ Namaḥ Śivāya or Oṃ Sūryāya Namaḥ or something you will start.

Gurvi Ji: Praśna Mārga says that when there are malefics in Lagna, that means that it is a (unclear after this)

Guruji: Ketu is a thief; or a mistake. Ketu is the mistake you made. You did not lock it properly. If Saturn aspects the Lagna, surely the thief will run away with your goodies.

Verma Ji: health cases, Saturn is the 8th house kāraka, but it is the prana vayu also,

Guruji: We are not looking at it that way. We are looking at it as the kāraka of the 8th house. And also I am taking here, because he is the primary kāraka of the 8th house, he will immediately cause the disease to go away. Because that is what he is assuring, that: “I will remove the disease”. For that, his aspect normally… it happened in that case. Remarkable recovery and he was out. Immediately it worked. The question is, what time do you take for praśna. The time that you take is when you feel like, and you want to analyse it. Now, do it now, that is where the sādhanā angle comes in.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Nowadays you have emails. Somebody sends me an email, the email is forgotten for some days, after some days the reminder comes, okay, so, when I open it, I take that time. Because I was meant to see it there.

Student: (unclear audio)

Guruji: No. No. You may read it but you did not have the time, “I’ll see it tomorrow, the day after tomorrow”. Whenever you want to make the chart, the moment you make the chart, it will be taken as praśna. Because you are the saṃvatsara. It is YOU through whom the Sun God will give answer to the praśna. You have got to do your mantras regularly for this, “Hare Rāma Kṛṣṇa”. Because it is very important if you don’t do the mantras properly, the moment at which you are going to click the button to open a chart, or you will decide to make a horoscope for the praśna, may not be the correct appropriate Muhūrta.

Test: how to find out that you must answer or that you must not answer the praśna? The navāṃśa Lagna, must be in trines or 7th house from the Lagna of the person who is asking the question. The navāṃśa Lagna of the praśna moment/chart must be in trines or 7th house to the Lagna of the person who is asking the question. If not, don’t answer the question. Simply say, “God does not want to give the answer”. Why try? It will not work.

Students: (unclear)

Guruji: You will of course feel like it. Question is: Am I God or God is Me? It is such a weird situation. It’s a very difficult and a very peculiar situation.

Student: What if he doesn’t have a chart.

Guruji: Then the navāṃśa Lagna should indicate the person, you make the chart of the person and see. Navāṃśa Lagna will surely indicate the person who is asking. At least, if a Brahmin is sitting in front of you, Jupiter must show over there. Something must be there showing the person. If there is nothing showing the person then how come the…

Student: How do we see the person from the navāṃśa Lagna?

Guruji: The Lagna of the navāṃśa Lagna is a Lagna of the person.

Students: it has to be in trine?

Guruji: It has to be in trine. It has to be a…. try to say everything about the person from the navāṃśa. If it fits, it’s fine and if it does not, then it is not so. You ask three or four question to the person who is getting the praśna, to check whether it is right or wrong. How will you test? You have to test it. If you are satisfied, you have to go ahead. Test it. Without testing it, don’t give predictions. What is the Lagna of the person who asked this question about Montenegro?

Student: Don’t know

Guruji: Why? What is the navāṃśa Lagna? So, what could his Lagna be?

Student: (unclear0

Guruji: No, No. Navāṃśa Lagna is what? navāṃśa Lagna is Vṛṣabha right? Where is Venus?

Student: aquarius

Guruji: So, what could be his Lagna?

Student: could be Vṛṣabha, could be Vṛścika, could be aquarius.

Guruji: So, Vṛścika. Which one is strongest then? Are there any planets in trines? Which is the strongest.

Student: Vṛṣabha has Jupiter and Mars.

Guruji: Vṛṣabha has Jupiter and Mars. Okay. Try to describe the person for me with jupiter and Mars.

Student: jupiter and mars.

Verma Ji: No, Vṛṣabha having Jupiter and Mars.

Guruji: try to describe the person for me, how is this person. Taking Vṛṣabha as the Lagna, try to describe. Come on. Take Vṛṣabha as Lagna and describe.

Guruji to Gurvi Ji: No. No. You don’t say anything.

Gurvi Ji: Naa, I am not saying anything.

Guruji: Do you think he is a very learned person?

Student: Jupiter shows that he is a learned person or bureaucrat.

Guruji: Bureaucrat is indicated by Jupiter? Bureaucrats! (laughing). Jupiter is the last fellow who will go and sit in a Govt. of India Office.

Student: He is well to do

Guruji: Yes, extremely well to do. Vṛṣabha Lagna with Jupiter. Yes.

very wise.

Student: Military person.

Guruji: Not military person. but he has very good connections with military. What is 12th lord in the 1st house.

Students: expenses

Guruji: Spends money and he has a lot of foreign connections. Can he write well? How does he write?

Student: Mercury

Guruji: how many children does he have? You are not saying anything. How many children he has.

Student: no children

Guruji: So, Ketu in 5th house means he has no children? Ketu is in 5th house? No. No. No. You have to see navāṃśa.

Student: 5th house has Mercury.

Guruji: please tell navāṃśa

Student: Lagna is Vṛṣabha with jupiter and mars in it. 3rd house has Mercury retro. 5th house has saturn and Rāhu. Venus and Moon are in 7th house. Ketu and sun in 12th house.

Gurvi Ji: Ketu and sun are not strong.

Guruji: why? british prime minister Tony Blair had sun in 12th. He was on top position. But something will happen when he reaches the top position, the condition is there, you will lose your prime minister. You buy the property and you will lose the prime minister chair. Peculiar!. Only for Vṛṣabha Lagna, sun exalted in 12th. Vṛṣabha Lagna, Kanyā Lagna…. both property issue is there. For Kanyā Lagna, it is foreign properties, but for Vṛṣabha Lagna, it is home property. it is for sure, blind prediction you can give. Tony Blair lost it, even he could not do anything.

Student: he has one daughter

Guruji: yes, he has one son and one daughter. Two children.

Student: dual sign

Guruji:: what kind of jyotiṣa you do? Every person with Vṛṣabha Lagna will have two children because 5th house is Vṛṣabha sign? what jyotiṣa you do? If you do jyotiṣa like this then I will say sanjay-prabhakaran jyotiṣa. he did jyotiṣa like this, in one case, the person came with approximate time and date; he changed his date by three months. Rectification of birth time!

Students: (everybody laughing)

Guruji: ye akal ka bhoot hai na…. don’t know what he thinks. One day I scolded him, he stopped all this nonsense. If you jyotiṣa like this, what rationality is in this? Fixed Lagna, so 5th house is dual sign, so there must be two children. This is no logic. Tell me a principle. Count from the lord to the house minus one. That is one of the principles. Tell me at least one principle and I will accept it.

Students: (unclear)

Guruji: number of planets in the fifth house, aspecting house…. and the rule I told. Actually I don’t take aspects, they are just a likelihood of something happening.

Gurvi Ji: (unclear)

Guruji: no. no.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Planets in the fifth house. That you can do also.

Student: Upapada

Guruji: yes, do the Upapada. Where is Upapada?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: how many planets are in trine to Upapada?

Student: four planets

Guruji: and how many are likely to give children?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: all are likely to give children?

Gurvi Ji: unclear

Guruji: four planets are there. Saturn, Rāhu, Venus, Moon. So, from the Upapada point of view, he can have four. Correct.

Gurvi Ji: If we see 5th house from Jupiter, there are no planets. If I take that lord, that’s one. And then aspect: there is only Jupiter aspecting it, so, only two planets are giving children.

Guruji: This man is known to expose the most corrupt people of their place. His job is like that of a bulldog. Extremely determined. You see that Vṛṣabha Lagna? First description of Vṛṣabha with Mars in it: HE IS A BULL. You have seen a bull, how is it? He is like that. If he sees red. Red color he has to see. Red color, he will see and he will put his head and charge. That’s it. He is like a bull. He exposed all the corrupt politicians. I mean the politicians are gunning for him. One slip, just one: just one slip and they will cut him into pieces.

Student: is that Rāhu

Guruji: Yes. So, deadly enemies.

Student:

Guruji: that is why he is…. No not with me. You have seen him with me. But imagine how he will be with those people when he will be exposing their corruption charges. The guy when he came to meet me, downstairs, there were three secret police guys with machine guns and all so that he is not gunned down. How many want to just any chance to kill him!

Gurvi Ji: important thing about him is, that he was a leader of the anti-communist movement for whole of east-Europe. He started it. And it is because of him that the whole eastern Europe thing is happening. Jupiter in Lagna is an extremely learned person.

Gurvi Ji: intellectual

Guruji: Actually they are a group. He heads the group. He is the front for the group of intellectuals which are actually gunning for democracy in that place.

Gurvi Ji: I have one of those intellectuals, the evolutionary leaders;

Student: Jupiter in Lagna shows that person is good looking

Guruji: People don’t value that as much as they value what he says. He talks a hell of a lot of sense. Anyway, that is Jupiter with Mars, that fighting spirit. It fixed him.

Student: He has impulses

Guruji: very very very impulsive. Actually, more bull headed. Vṛṣabha with mars is complete bull. He does not leave them. He does not spare them. He can be very… talks about one minister, I’ll give you an example. I said: how is this person? He said: “that fellow? he is nice when he is off drugs”. What does he do? “He takes drugs and goes to office”. I said: what is happening in these countries. What is happening to people in power. If the fellow does that and goes to office, what sort of decision he takes?

Student: of course when we are looking at this D9 of praśna, (unclear afterwards)

Guruji: but it will give us a fairly good idea about him.

Student: But I was thinking that…(unclear afterwards)

Guruji: That is the past as far as the praśna is concerned. This Montenegro depends a lot…. yeah, the past Montenegro has not been good. They have been fighting a war, is it not?

Student 1: I am talking about him

Student 2: are you speaking of marriage?

Student 3: No, I am not speaking of marriage. I am speaking of, you are saying about Saturn and Rāhu, the placement of them and there is that. And, Sun with Ketu in the 12th house. And, the 12th lord and….(unclear afterwards)

Guruji: Yeah, it is not good for one…… Yeah, 7th and 8th lord together is Mars, so, one of his brothers may have been shot or something like that. Yeah!

Student: yeah, there is threat to his life.

Guruji: There is threat to his life. There have been few of such attempts. If you hear about them, you will feel it’s a miracle that he is alive. I have got a horoscope, in which the person is cutting through jungles. See, how God protects: mamba, you know Black mamba? mamba strikes, and the person puts up his hand like that and the mamba bites like that (not a video available for this audio). One bite of the mamba, and you will die on the spot. The mamba bites like this, and in the mean time the person behind him takes a knife and cuts. He has a big blade, you know? He cuts the mamba. Black mamba is a deadly snake, worst poison. The entire poison was like this; the blue poison was on his arm. The fellow survives. How? When he puts his thing out like that, the mamba’s fangs caught him like this. So, instead of biting him, the mamba bit itself. The two fangs came in front. This is not luck then what is luck? We will do all these horoscopes in future. Is that not luck?

Gurvi Ji: (not clear)

Guruji: Like a blue dye coming down on your hand.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Even if he had a little cut on his hand, the poison would have gone inside and would have finished him. luck. So, any way…. death is a peculiar thing.

Anyway, you did praśna. Okay, so now, let us say there is praśna pertaining to: “I have taken a competitive examination, will I pass or fail?”

Student: 6th house

Guruji: she is telling: 6th house. Any more opinion on that?   Let me have

Student: why the competition and the examination?

Guruji: For job. Competitive examination given for job.

Students: (unclear)

Guruji: Arre only one house. Tell me one house,, the principle house I want to know. Because I am going to do some practice now, asking such questions so that you get used to that… “what is kārya bhāva”.

Student: you are taking it for a job.

Guruji: It’s about competitiveness; not just a job. It’s not “how will I work in my next job”. That is 10th house.

Student: Won’t she get the job?

Guruji: Whether she will get or not, it’s a competition, it’s a battle.

Student:

Guruji: If the question was, “will I get the job?”. Then it is the 10th house.

Student: She is doing it……. (unclear after this)

Guruji: The question was: “will I succeed in the competitive examination”. 6th house. See the question very carefully.

Student: Kāraka is Mars.

Guruji: kāraka is Mars. Okay. I want to buy some land in my village.

Student: 4th house.

Guruji. 4th house. kāraka?

Student: Mars.

Guruji: Mars. because bhūmi-kāraka.

Student: But I tell you; agricultural land…. (not audible after it)

Guruji: No. No. No. Mars.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Saturn destroys agricultural land. Saturn, when he transits 4th house, he destroys agricultural land. Saturn indicates…… Mars is the department head. Under the department head, the navagraha will come. If Śani is with Maṅgala, it means barren land. If jupiter is with Maṅgala, it is very valuable land. If Sūrya is with Maṅgala, it is a powerful land like, a temple is there on the land or a king’s court is there on the land, so, the property value is very high. Sūrya with Maṅgala, gives very high property value. If Śani is with Maṅgala, it is zero property value, barren land, useless land. And if Mercury is with mars, the commercial value is very high. Venus is with mars… likewise you have to see.

Verma Ji: (unclear)

Guruji: Ketu. The question is, if I want to expand my house, and build two more stories.

Verma Ji: Or buy a ready-made house.

Guruji: or buy a ready-made house. The house is still the fourth house, but the kāraka will be Ketu. So, you should know the kāraka for all the houses, as well as the graha who are the kāraka for the different things.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: yeah, like a desert for example. If someone says to you “I’ll give you 10 miles of land in the desert”. You will say, “please keep it”.

Gurvi Ji: Moon signifies African land.

Guruji: Why did you say Moon? Moon rules land which have natural water. Naturally, you can grow crops if you have irrigation or water in the land. How can you grow crops without water? That is why. Moon indicates an irrigated land. Good land which is irrigated is indicated by Moon.

Verma Ji: Mars is the….

Guruji: Yes mars is the…. right. All land is originally meant for agriculture. For growing trees. Originally all land was going to hold trees. Unfortunately, we built houses on it instead of living on trees.

Gurvi Ji: Trees are different from agriculture.

Guruji: They also happen to belong to the planet kingdom.

Gurvi Ji: Yeah Yeah

Guruji: We are not growing human beings. (everybody laughing). I saw that picture “Matrix”, that’s why I have this reference in Mind.

Gurvi Ji: The reason is that Moon rules over grain and rules over agricultural products.

Guruji: Moon rules over everything that is given high premium by human beings. Grains are given high premium by human beings because human beings can eat it. Salt is given very high premium by human beings because Salt: without salt, you cannot cook food. So, all and any…. The job of the Moon is to take a commodity and give it a high premium in human eyes.

Gurvi Ji: Water, Food

Guruji: Water is very high premium. If there is no water coming in a building, the value of that building is not even 10% of it’s real value.

Gurvi Ji: So, Water, Food, Home.

Guruji: Also that is Moon. All that is Moon. The moment you use the word “home”, it becomes Moon. So long as you are using “property”, it is Mars. Gṛha house is Ketu. The moment you say Home, it has premium value. You may have 10 houses, but only one home.

Verma Ji: a man can a house but no home

Guruji: Yes. Home is important. Home is the premium for Ketu. It’s Moon “Chandra-premium”. The same building is Ketu for everybody but for her it is Home. So, it becomes Chandra-premium for her. Chandra is the premium value given to anything by human beings. Understand the premium of Moon. Moon is the head of Śiva. That means there is a premium value given to anything, it is a icing on the cake. It is the Demand factor. The demand factor is high. Moon Chandra causes commodity to have higher demand. Sūrya causes commodity to have lower demand.

Sūrya causes commodities to have lower demand and more supply. If Sūrya conjoins anything, there will be more supply of that, more production of that. So, the supply and demand, is Sūrya and Chandra. Supply is coming from Sūrya, and demand is coming from Chandra.

Sunlight: Sūrya’s job is to give sunlight. All the sunlight is nothing but product, it is energy, it is money. All the money is sunlight. All the energy is money. Money has no other value other than energy value. If I cannot buy energy with money, it is better to throw that money or use it as toilet paper. The value of money is to buy energy. Whether the energy of a human being or the energy that has gone into production of a product. Money is truly valuable if that can buy that energy. Clear?

So, Sūrya is the supplier of all the commodity. Chandra is the demand of a commodity. When Chandra is with Śukra in the navāṃśa. The Navāṃśa: in any horoscope: what is it that I am giving premium to, will depend upon my Chandra in the Navāṃśa. I am a human being, you are also a human being, for me, something is valuable, and for you something is valuable. What I am giving more value to, will depend upon my Moon position in the Navāṃśa.

Sarbani has Moon in which Rāśi? in the Gemini in the Navāṃśa. Ask her. Gemini right? What happens to her when a little book goes away. Mercury, right? Gemini is ruled by Mercury. Mercury is Ātmakāraka. So she looses a book, it is like losing the ātma, like somebody has stolen her ātma. you see the point.

Student: I have Moon in Virgo

Guruji: She has got Moon in virgo in Navāṃśa. And, where is Mercury?

Student: Mercury is Ātmakāraka.

Guruji: Oh. If anybody even touches your book even by mistake, that’s it, it gives pain to your ātma. Do you understand? What are you giving premium to? Human beings will give premium based upon, their Moon in Navāṃśa. So, when you want to buy a gift for somebody, see where their Moon is in Navāṃśa, and buy a gift.

Gurvi Ji: Why we see Navāṃśa for this?

Guruji: Rāśi? Where will mother go? Where will blood go? Moon is blood. So, next time, you want to give a birthday gift to someone, carry a packet of blood. Should we do that? No, right? Then swhy are you seeing the physicality in Rāśi? We are talking about dharmamsh. Dharmamsh is your preferences. People say you have to see Moon in the d9 chart, for what? You have to see for your preferences. Okay?

For example, where is your Moon in d9.

Student: Dhanus Rāśi,

Guruji: Dhanus Rāśi. Which are the planets conjoining or aspecting?

Student: (not clear)

Student: Sun, Mercury, Ketu, Rāhu. So, the Sun aspecting the Moon will be what? Position, Authority. You want anything that is associated with Royalty, with class, with power. Then Mercury, you also have an obsession for books. Huge collection of Books. You have a full library of your own?

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: You see Rāhu and Ketu, lots of foreign things also he will have. Rāhu and Ketu’s aspect. Rāhu and Ketu are aspecting Chandra. He will have lot of foreign things. What is Ketu’s aspect? Chandra means what your mind prefers. Why did you not say Mathematics, when I said Mercury? Why did you not say Physics? Venus will like Chemistry. I want to know in terms of goods. Because Mercury is associated then learning is what you want. So, learning, you cannot get it from other than Mercury. Like that.

So, the question is: now I ask a reverse question:

Which mantra is more suitable for a person? from the material perspective, from the material world.

Student: not clear

Guruji: nobody gives up anything in this world. Mantra cannot make you give up anything. You take it from me. If I tell you a mantra and say give this up. It will not happen. Let us say, Sarbani has got mad attachment for books. If I give her a mantra, which will give her all the books for her, she will be happy. Right?

Gurvi Ji: (not clear)

Guruji: Yes, this is for the material world. From the Navāṃśa, Just see the Moon. I am talking of Moon. I am talking of premium. I am talking of demand.

See, when I was talking of Sun and Moon, if I am in supply, I will talk of Varāhamihira’s brihat-jātaka or sorry, brihat-samhita. This whole thing is explained in brihat-samhita. From brihat-samhita now I have jumped to Saravali’s Moon positions. Saravali is the only one who gives maximum credit to the Moon. He says, study the Moon thoroughly. Without knowing the mind of the person, what are you talking?

Study the mind. Mind is everything. Study the Mind, carefully. So, I was studying the Mind, so, now I came to her Mind. Her mind is wanting the book. If I cannot buy the book in the market or I must give her a mantra. If she does the mantra the book will come to her. She will become happy. If the book is lost, she will become sad. How to find when the book is lost, and when the book is coming? Books will be lost when there will be malefic transits or aspects on that Moon, and things will be obtained when there will be benefic aspects in the Moon. So, ultimately, which Moon are we talking about, transit wise?

Student: Navāṃśa

Guruji: The Navāṃśa Chandra is tachnically called, chandramsh. It’s technical language, please use technical language.

Nadi says, the sadhe-sati, kantak Śani, and all those evil things that you study, for the material world, not about death, we are not talking about death, only material world, “STUDY IT FROM THE NAVAMSH I. E. CHANDRAMSH”. Don’t study it from Rāśi. You will get “some” results from Rāśi, but not much. The correct results you will get, from chandramsh. From the Rāśi, what is Rāśi chakra? Rāśi chakra is the physical body, the kantak Śani, and all those things have to do with the physical health of the person. Do you understand the difference? What is the difference between Chandra in the Rāśi chart and Chandra in the Navāṃśa chart? In one, he is showing you your “want”, what you want. Whether you are getting it or not. For example, how many of you have got Moon in kark? Now saturn is in Karka. Anybody have Moon in kark Navāṃśa? Two of you have got Moon in kark Navāṃśa, are you having any kind of mental tension these days?

Student: life has changed

Guruji: your life has totally changed after Saturn entered Cancer. Right. (to another student: yours?)

Student: yes

Guruji: Totally changed? But you are having mental tensions. One of the two will happen. Either you will say that life has totally changed. Or you having lot of mental tensions. It is bound to happen.

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: See, what did I do. Again I just asked where is saturn nowadays. I asked how many of you are having Moon in kark Navāṃśa. That is all I want to know. Those of you who have, will have mental tensions, or major changes in life.

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: I am giving only a small example. I am giving just one example. When saturn was in Gemini. Everybody said, Sanjay, you are having fantastic results. I said, “what fantastic result, I am running here and there like a mad man, I do not have this thing, four I am here, two months I am there. Neither I am there, nor I am there, food, sleep everything disturbed. Good time? What is your definition of Good time. They said, “you are travelling abroad”. I said, “why don’t you travel in my place”. Try. They will send you tickets, you will come to find how difficult it is. When you sit in the aircraft and pray to God, that, “before cRashing the aircraft, give me one Dosa, then you can crash, I have no complaints”. When you pray like that, then you will know. What it feels like not getting Dosa for three months. No Indian Food. How much bread, cheese and potato, can a person can eat? Alright? You must understand. That my Moon is in Meen Navāṃśa, what I want is defined by Meen Rāśi. That is what my mind wants. Whether you give me a big fat book, somebody told me, Sanjay Ji, I got a photocopies of Jaimini Sutras in so many volumes printed for you. I said, “good, good”. He said, “top secret”. I said, “oh”. When that fellow went away, I said, since this is a top secret, first thing you have to do is to make four photocopies of this. First thing, make four photocopies, and finish this “top secret”. Then, it will become bottom secret. Then we will be able to touch it. Sent those four photocopies to different places. They started reading it, that finished. That is my valuation of Mercury. It is not high priority Item for me. What is high priority item? Jupiter. What will you say, Jupiter is?

Gurvi Ji: We can say Sweets.

Guruji: Yes, yes, you are right. you are very right. I can fight for my sweets.

Student: Knowledge,

Guruji: Knowledge, yes. Where I have to learn something: you have not see me learning. I have taught you as a teacher. Those who have seen me learning, they know what I used to do. I can go and sit outside the door of a teacher. If the teacher tells me, come after lunch.  12:30, I’ll finish my lunch and go and wait outside. He will be eating and I’ll hear it’s sound. Unless, he is not be disturbed because he is an old man, Ramchandra Harichandan. Ramchandra Harichandan, Orissa, one of the best astrologers. He could not see those days. Very old town. He passed away. He had an eyeglass. You know, specs did not work at that age. It was like this. I would hold the glass and take it over the book like that, so that he will read the Sanskrit one by one and tell me. I would wait from 12:30, sitting outside, you know it was a door like that. And the nala is there. You know how it is like in Orissa. I will wait. I would sit on the side over there and waiting. I would take a book or something to read and wait. From 12:30, I would wait till 4 ‘o’ clock. He would finish eating then he will sleep. He will wake up. After he wakes up, he will wash his face, he will come and open the door. Then from there, he will give me time. From that moment, he will maximum half an hour or 45 minutes. That is how I used to learn. That is my premium for knowledge. Do you understand?

Gurvi Ji: when that special rare book of Jaimini had come, that is also knowledge. You were not interested in that….

Guruji: I don’t have the…… for me, a book represents words. But a person, who can interprets those books for me, I give him much more value, because, how much time he will save of mine. Imagine, if I have to, even, read it yourself. The difference between Mercury and jupiter is the book and the teacher.

Gurvi Ji: some people value books more

Guruji: It’s very simple. For me, the Guru is everything. It was so valuable for me, for me, the guru is everything. What else, what are other items, forget the guru as the person. What are the items I would value? Malas, Prayer Beads. I am obsessed with prayer beads. Then, Pen. Pens or any other writing materials, I mean, for writing purposes.

Gurvi Ji: Pen is for Mercury.

Guruji: No, Pen is not of Mercury. The paper is Mercury. The pen is Jupiter. It is the yoga of Jupiter and Mercury, Pen and Paper, that produces aksharas, Sharada Yoga. Okay? Go on. Further? The ink is Mars. I mean I can go into every detail. What else? What are the items ruled by Jupiter?

Student: Teaching?

Guruji: Teaching is not something I want. Learning, I want. I want knowledge. Something as an item, or a material item. Gold? Do you think I like Gold very much? No. I don’t like Gold very much. Gold is more in demand in Dhanus Rāśi, and Siṃha Rāśi. Because Gold has Agni in it. The difference between pisces and sagittarius, is that Gold. Gold is more in Sagittarius. Because Gold is having Agni. Pisces is not having Agni, it is having jala. If you say, white gold, then yes, I like white Gold more. I don’t like yellow gold as much as I like white gold. Because it is pisces and not sagittarius. I like more Jala, I like more Shaant. I don’t like tejas. Okay? What else? Please tell me. Do you see how the Chandra-amsh is so important. The Navāṃśa of the Chandra is the most important position in the horoscope.

Student: Jupiter rules akash tattva, I.e., mantras

Guruji: Mantras? Yes, yes; I am obsessed with Mantras, obsessed. Last night, you know every night, I get good sleep if I get mantra book to read. Yesterday night I was reading this chapter, Bījaa Nighantu. What a chapter, wow, beautiful. Every day night I read something like that and I sleep. If I can get it, nothing is like that.

Gurvi Ji: Jupiter is flowers, but you don’t like flowers that much. In the material world, flowers are Venus. Flowers are Venus. You got the idea?

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: Yes. But you can’t take all of that, then you will like everything and want everything. No. It is definitely not good.

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: I am just giving one. It is hundred percent right. 100%. When people told me Sanjay, you are running sadhe-sati, Moon is in… Somebody told me, “you are running Sadhe-Sati, you cannot clear civil services”. That is the year I cleared the civil services. Saturn entered Makara, I cleared civil services. How? How is it possible? That too I took a stupid subject like engineering, where you don’t get marks.

Still I cleared it. Why? Because if my Moon is in Meen, then Śani is in 11th from it. You see my point? 11th Śani, ekadash Śani is good. So, in future, please keep this factor in mind. Sadhe Sati in Rāśi chart, may be bad for your physical body. It was bad for my physical body because those days, I was studying almost 12 to 14 hours a day. When you study so much, it is bad for the physical body. But why will the results be bad? It was ekadash Śani. Clear? Am I being clear? Okay. So, I will take that much. And the remaining portion, Sarbani will cover it today.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: No, No, No. I have covered enough today.

Student: so, you see gochara from Navāṃśa.

Guruji: Totally, I see the gochara only from Navāṃśa. What is the value of seeing gochara from the body?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Oh yes, That is…… but we will do that some other time. We will go into it. That is the reverse of this.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Interesting.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: She, Rohini is very intelligent. She is the most intelligent. She catches and asks.

Student: You were going to talk about planets giving jyotiṣa.

Guruji: Yeah. the main question. What happened. Did you find out? Which planet teaches jyotiṣa? Which planet gives jyotiṣa, and can make you a good jyotiṣī?

Student: Sun

Guruji: Correct. Sūrya.

Student: Mars

Guruji: Mars will make you a good jyotiṣī? No.

Student: Ketu

Guruji: Ketu. Yes. That’s two. Who else?

Student: Mercury.

Guruji: Mercury. Yes. That’s three.

Student: Jupiter

Guruji: Jupiter. That’s four. Rāhu? Yes, Rāhu, that’s five. Mercury does not really make you a very good jyotiṣī. It makes you  commercial jyotiṣī. I will be very frank about it. Commercial jyotiṣī? you will become. But not a very good jyotiṣī. To be a good jyotiṣī, these four planets are very crucial. Sūrya, Rāhu, Ketu and Bṛhaspati. These four planets are very crucial. One of these planets, must aspect the Navāṃśa Lagna or the 5th house or the 9th house. Navāṃśa. I am not even talking of Rāśi now. If the ability is there, then only you will become a jyotiṣī. Otherwise, you can not become a jyotiṣī. The dṛṣṭi should be a rāśi dṛṣṭi. If it is in the Lagna, you are a born jyotiṣī. If it is in the 5th house, you will learn in bhavishya, means after some time, you will learn. If it is in the 9th house, because of a guru, you will learn.

Student: Venus… (unclear)

Guruji; We will come to Venus later. We will come to the others later. These four primary planets I am talking about, are, Sūrya, Rāhu, Ketu and Bṛhaspati. These are the four principle planets for Jyotiṣa.

Gurvi Ji: Best is when they are in Lagna.

Guruji: only Navāṃśa Lagna. If they are in the Navāṃśa Lagna, They are super. It’s not super, it’s just that you are born with the ability. You are a born jyotiṣī.

Student; (unclear)

Guruji: Only One. Only one is enough. When you have too many of them too much confusion can also come. It is better to have one. I will tell you why. You just understand one minute, I will tell you why. In the 5th house, it will come after some time. Maybe in college days, you will just start reading.

Student: unclear

Guruji: By practice. Practice can only happen later in life. Not from childhood.

Gurvi Ji: This is all in Navāṃśa, right?

Guruji: Yes, it’s all in Navāṃśa. And, in 9th house, it will come because of guru. These four planets, should ideally be, priority-wise:

1. placed in these houses
2. should be lord of these houses
3. they should aspect these houses, rāśi dṛṣṭi only.

If it is graha dṛṣṭi, there are many people who learnf or some time and give up jyotiṣa. You must also seen them. They come, they joined this course, did the course for 6 months and then ran away. “by God, this was so difficult, I didn’t know”. There are so many students that come, half of them disappear, that is graha dṛṣṭi. graha dṛṣṭi students, we call them graha dṛṣṭi students. graha dṛṣṭi have come on 9th house, they come running to the Guru. But later, they run away. What can we do. Whereas, those who have rāśi dṛṣṭi, they will keep trying, and they will keep struggling. There are many who keep struggling, who keep trying, that is Graha Dṛṣṭi. But if the graha is sitting over there, he will become a master in no time. Surely. If the graha is the lord of that sign, then for some time, he will learn then he will leave. Again he will learn, then he will leave. Depending upon the strength of the graha. If the graha is sitting over there, he will learn. he will have to learn. But he is the lord, when he becomes strong, he will learn jyotiṣa and when it will become weak, he will leave jyotiṣa. Understand? So, then you have to strengthen that like by wearing a gemstone, or something. These four! Keep these four in mind. What are the other planets? Question is, Sun and Jupiter we understand. Sun or Sūrya is the Jyotiṣa himself. Sūrya’s another name is Jyotiṣa. Varāhamihira was the greatest worshipper of Sūrya, and you can see what an astrologer he was. From Jupiter, we get a Rishi. Rishi has the knowledge of Jyotiṣa. So, when Jupiter will give you the knowledge, the Rishis will give you the knowledge. Oh sorry, it is the Brahmanas, that will give you the knowledge. I stand corrected. The brahmanas. The Sūrya is the jyotiṣa himself. From Bṛhaspati, it is the Brahmana, or the Guru, that will give you the knowledge. From Ketu, it’s the Rishi. Saptarishi, come from Ketu. From Ketu, Rishis will give you the knowledge. From Rāhu, either the Gandharvas, or the Yakshas, or such… or Ravana himself can give you the knowledge. Knowledge will come from where. It will come from somewhere, right? There has to be some source of the knowledge. Knowledge has different sources. The best Source is Ketu, it is the parampara knowledge, it is the Rishis. The purest knowledge is that which comes from the Brahmanas. That you learnt it in the tradition, by sitting with Brahmanas. The worst is that of Rāhu. The most beneficial for human use, is that of Sūrya. Something may be very pure, but it may not benefit a very large section of people. If you want the knowledge to benefit a very large section of people, it must be from Sūrya. Because, Rāhu and Ketu are very Gupta (secretive) grahas. The best Jyotiṣīs are Ketu. Gaṇeśa! the deities, Ketu is Gaṇeśa, Jupiter will be Sadāśiva or Dakṣiṇāmūrti. Sūrya is Sūrya himself. Jupiter is Śiva. Then Sūrya. And, then for Rāhu, it is Sarpa. The knowledge of the Sarpas. SARPAS HAVE VERY GOOD JYOTISH KNOWLEDGE. Okay?

So, these are the grahas which can give (jyotiṣa knowledge). Now, let us take different horoscopes and analyze it. Let us start from? (pointing to a student). You are born astrologer?

Student: Ketu in Navāṃśa Lagna.

Guruji: See, he is a born-astrologer. Ketu in Navāṃśa Lagna in which Rāśi?

Student: sagittarius.

Guruji: Sagittarius. Okay. Now, how to test. Whether this Ketu is strong or not. How was your delivery? Was it a normal delivery? Fully normal?

Student: they said, there were complications

Guruji: What was the complication?

Student: Never told me in specific. But a little complication during the start of delivery, and after the delivery, complication happened.

Guruji: So, a little complication during the delivery, then it was okay? okay. Ketu or Rāhu when they are very strong in the Navāṃśa Lagna, the indication is that, at the time of delivery, they will have to use something like forceps to pull the baby out. If you are pulled by the forceps, that means your Rāhu or Ketu is very strong. It is both ways. The delivery will be very painful because Rāhu and Ketu are painful planets. They are not easy planets. So, he says Ketu is there and he had a normal delivery. How is it possible?

Gurvi Ji: You have to find out

Guruji: Yes, find it out. Okay next. See your horoscope has come under doubt. Next!

Student: Dhani is Lagna,

Guruji: Okay. There are no planets in Lagna? Okay. Aspecting? Leave the aspects, you will get nothing from that. Who is the lord? Jupiter is the lord, so, believe in this knowledge of the gurus and everything. 5th house? Lorded by Mars. Aries. Any planet in it?

Student: No.,

Guruji: None. Okay, any planet in the 9th house?

Student: No.

Guruji: 1-5-9 there are no planets. But Lagna and the 9th house are owned by Jupiter and the Sun. If you are learning this from a Guru. Which planet is causing you to learn this from SJC from a guru? Sūrya is causing it? Because Sūrya is the 9th lord. If there is no planet, you must take the lord. So, to learn jyotiṣa better, you must do Sūrya pooja. If you do any Sūrya mantras, your jyotiṣa learning will improve like anything. Your own ability. See, there are two things, learning jyotiṣa and how to develop your abilities of jyotiṣa. To be a good astrologer. So, if you do Sūrya Pooja, your ability to do jyotiṣa, will develop and you will become better astrologer. Okay, tell me yours.

Student: Meṣa Lagna. Saturn is in the Lagna, debilitated.

Guruji: So, saturn is not good. Okay, then?

Student: there is no planet in 5th and 9th.

Guruji: There are no planets in 5th and 9th. 9th house is ruled by Jupiter, so, Jupiter is the one who is causing you to learn jyotiṣa. Which antardaśā did you start learning jyotiṣa?

Student: I don’t remember exactly but I think it was saturn-sun.

Guruji: It has to be either Sun or Jupiter. Because they are the 5th and 9th lord. Check it. Make a note, that you will check which antardaśā did you start learning jyotiṣa and tell me what connection has that planet got with trines to your Navāṃśa Lagna and these grahas. It’s a simple work. Test it in 100 cases, whether I am right or not. Okay, tell me yours (pointing to another student).

Student: Vṛṣabha Lagna

Guruji: Vṛṣabha Lagna.

Student: Maṅgala is in Lagna. Śani is in 5th house. And, 9th house has no graha.

Guruji: Then how come are you learning Jyotiṣa? Which graha is causing you to learn jyotiṣa. Do you often become angry?

Student: Yes

Guruji: But anger can also come from Meṣa Lagna. Then why is Meṣa not the Navāṃśa Lagna? Check 5th and 9th from Meṣa as Navāṃśa Lagna. Siṃha and Dhanus Rāśi.

Student: That has Śukra

Guruji: Where is it? Meṣa has Śukra?

Student: No. Meṣa has Bṛhaspati.

Guruji: Right, if Meṣa has Bṛhaspati, then that is the Navāṃśa Lagna. If brihaspati is there then you definitely interested in the knowledge of the Rishis, and sadhus and all that. You see, if your Navāṃśa Lagna, has Maṅgala in it, and Śani in the 5th house, then how are you learning jyotiṣa and all these Puranas and all that. Why are you not learning some fighting? Why are you seating here and learning jyotiṣa and why are you not in the shooting gallery. Whats the difference. What is causing you to learn jyotiṣa. Correct your horoscopes. Find out from your horoscopes, which graha is giving you this ability. Jyotiṣa is a very powerful ability. It’s a very powerful tool. Why do you want to develop such a powerful tool.

MAṄGALA DOES NOT GIVE JYOTISH.

Student: one thing I want to ask that in the conference, you described the connection between Vedic Knowledge and Hanuman Ji. So, is not Hanuman Ji represented by Maṅgala?

Guruji: Hanuman Ji as a fighter, is Maṅgala. Remember, he attacked Lanka as a fighter? What are we doing is… we are only remembering Hanuman Ji as a warrior, not as a teacher. But where do we remember Hanuman ji as a teacher? When we remember Hanuman ji as a teacher then he doesn’t have weapons in his hands, otherwise how can he teach. Who teaches with weapon in the hands? There are two sides to him. When he teaches the Vedas, he puts the Gada down, he does not have that weapon in his hand. Then he remembers Shri Ram and starts teaching the Vedas.

Student: So, then is he becoming a form of Jupiter?

Guruji: Yes, He is Veda Murti as that time, is a form represented by Jupiter. Hanuman Ji can take different forms. If a hold a Gun in my hand and say, “now I will teach Jyotiṣa”. How is it possible? People will run away from here. How is it possible? Understand? If Maṅgala is in Navāṃśa Lagna and Śani is in 5th from Navāṃśa Lagna; the person will definitely be of warrior tendency. Saturn and Mars are in trines. He is a person that will surely carry weapons. What weapon are you carrying right now? Why will I accept this Navāṃśa Lagna? This is a wrong Lagna. Correct it. You people discuss many things. The first thing that you should do is to correct your horoscopes.

Student: Meṣa Navāṃśa Lagna with Mercury in it.

Guruji: Meṣa with Mercury in it.

Student: 5th has saturn and 9th has mars.

Guruji: Are you a commercial Jyotiṣī? Tell me.

Student: No.

Guruji: if you are not a commercial jyotiṣī then how come is this the right Lagna? Which planet gives you jyotiṣa, and where is that planet?

Student: Jupiter is 9th lord and Sūrya is 5th lord.

Guruji: Mercury brought you to Jyotiṣa, is it?

Student: I am in Mercury mahādaśā.

Guruji: You are in Mercury mahādaśā now?

Student: when I started learning jyotiṣa.

Guruji: You are in Mercury mahādaśā, which antardaśā?

Student: Saturn antardaśā

Guruji: You see, the correct answer to your question/ my question is: The lord of my 5th house, and my 9th house is Sūrya and Jupiter, that is the correct answer. You may have Śani in 5th house and all that. But the lord of the 5th house is Sūrya, and the lord of the 9th house is Jupiter. So, being the lord of these houses, one of the two will give you Jyotiṣa. Check which of the antardaśā you started learning. Whichever antardaśā you started learning, that graha’s gemstone you wear. It is very good for you. I am just giving you small example. Because he, who is teaching you jyotiṣa, is opening your eyes, and he who is opening your eyes, is God for you. So, that planet is the most important planet, he is trying to show you the truth. Worship that. Strengthen that. See, my Navāṃśa Lagna has got Ketu and Śukra in it, forget the other planets. My gurudev only told me one thing, every year, without fail, I have to do Gaṇeśa Puja with my own hands. No Purohit will come. No Pundit will come. I have to sit down. I have to do the full Puja. That was the condition. It’s a very simple condition. You save all the money for calling a Purohit. You do it yourself. You are a Brahmin. Why can’t you do it? Ketu is in my Navāṃśa Lagna in Vṛścika. He made this a rule for me. Only one rule, he made for me. That taught me Jyotiṣa. You see how clever he was.

Student: Should Ketu be there or a rāśi dṛṣṭi on Lagna can also work?

Guruji: rāśi dṛṣṭi will also work. Yes. Worship Shri Gaṇeśa and see the result. You will get very good results. You will become expert in jyotiṣa. Alright? Why these four graha are giving jyotiṣa? Firstly, Ketu and Rāhu are the cause of Mokṣa and rebirth, respectively. What is jyotiṣa all about? Jyotiṣa is a study of rebirth and mokṣa. The study of rebirth is based upon the karmas of the past birth. So, the entire concept of past birth, rebirth, we are talking of Rāhu-Ketu. That is why Rāhu and Ketu give answers to these questions that cause rebirth. You see anybody for that matter. Okay you tell (pointing to another student)

Student: I have Ketu in the 9th house.

Guruji: See, you have blessing from Gaṇeśa ji. And?

Another Student: Lagna has (unclear). 5th house has Rāhu in it.

Guruji: There your answer is. which graha is in 9th house?

Student: Mars is in 9th house. It started in Venus mahādaśā, Venus is my Ātmakāraka. Venus in in Meṣa Navāṃśa. There is a dictum hat if you have Ketu in 5th from Kārakāṃśa, you will know jyotiṣa. I have Ketu in 5th from Kārakāṃśa. And it is aspecting Lagna by rāśi dṛṣṭi.

Guruji: Yes, that’s it. Ketu. Good, you have done your homework. It is important, you have to do your homework, and give me clear answers. Why are you learning jyotiṣa. Which graha is teaching you Jyotiṣa?

Another student: Rāhu is in Lagna.

Guruji: Okay.

Student: Saturn is in 5th.

Guruji: Do you think a lot?

Student: yes.

Guruji: All the time, you are thinking?

Student: Yes

Guruji: Rāhu is in Navāṃśa Lagna, correct.

Student: Jupiter and Saturn in 5th, and Mercury is in 9th.

Guruji: So, Rāhu will give Jyotiṣa. Worship Durga Ma. You worship, you will learn. Is it? Or should you worship Sarpa? Durga. The correct answer is Durga. Follow jaimini. Do not follow anybody else. Jaimini does not tell you to worship anybody else. You worship Durga, If Rāhu is there you should worship Durga. Why? Why should you worship Durga?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Durgati Nashinnyaii. Rāhu gives you durggati. Your gati, your path to God is obstructed because of Rāhu. So, when you worship Durgā, she will break all these Demons and she will open the path for you. Am I clear? Durgā

is the one who destroys the evils created by Rāhu. She causes Rāhu to become Amar (immortal). Rāhu got the Amrit. How was he so lucky to have Amrit? Because of Durgā, he got Amrit. Because he is the son of Durgā.

Okay? So, worship Durgā.

Student: In the Navāṃśa Lagna, Sūrya is vargottam, Ketu and Rāhu have aspect on the Navāṃśa Lagna.

Guruji: So, Suraj is main thing. Main is Sūrya.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Only Sūrya. Just keep doing Sūrya mantra and nothing else. You will master

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: So you will rectify and tell me

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: What do you mean both will benefit, she doesn’t know what to do now. If both Lagna are giving jyotiṣa, then how can you choose the correct one.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Yes. In jupiter daśā?

Student: In Jupiter Mahādaśā, Mars Antardaśā.

Guruji: Oh it’s peculiar. Where is Mars?

Student: in Rāśi?

Guruji: No. in Navāṃśa?

Student: in Navāṃśa, Mars is in Vṛścika Navāṃśa.

Guruji: Yes, in Ketu’s house. Mars is in Ketu’s house. Okay. What are the two options of the Lagna?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Okay, What are the three options

Student: Jupiter in Meen, Venus and Ketu is Aries; and The other one is Vṛṣabha.

Guruji: Pisces seems to be most right. No?

Gurvi Ji: Venus and Ketu in aries

Guruji: Yeah, that is also……

Gurvi Ji: But she is an accountant

Guruji: That can also be in…

Gurvi Ji: it’s more about numbers.

Guruji: That is right. that is the second house. But the ability is that… you know… So it is the second house, second house give meddling ability. So, That’s pisces, which is right. And, Mars is in 9th house so, you will learn jyotiṣa from the Gurus. Mars is in ninth house, correct, and Jupiter is in Lagna. As such you are more attracted towards the wisdom of the sages and all that. Not just Jyotiṣa, but the entire Vedic Knowledge. But you are attracted to it generally, right? Generally, you like reading about the stories of the Puranas and all that.

Student: Yes, I like stories

Guruji: Yeah, you like entertaining stories, Jupiter. Keep it simple.

Gurvi Ji: Venus can also give that, you know stories

Guruji: But, you never get angry, right?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: You get angry?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: So, if you get angry, will Mars be in the 9th house? Or will Meṣa be the Navāṃśa Lagna? Both are right?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: no. no. Ninth house is the house of the guru, so, he will take you to the guru. 9th lord is in 9th house. His job is to take you to the guru.

Student: It has nothing to do with Mars, it could be any other graha.

Guruji: Yes, Any other graha. Right. Mars 9th house means he will take you to the guru. His job is to take you to the guru. What you do there, is not his headache. He is given a task that is to take you till there. What you do over there that becomes your karmas. graha’s job is to take you from point A to Point B. After that, you create Karmas by interacting over there. Then he takes you from point B to point C, there again you create Karmas. Then point C to point D. So, finally, one day you realize “why the hell am I running around from point A to B to C to D? Forget it, I will just sit here (like Ramana Maharishi). I am not going anywhere, I will just sit here”. Understand? So, the grahas have no influence over there. No affect on them. They can’t make them to go from point A to point B. No affect at all. It’s only when you go from point A to point B, that you create more karmas. So, if you don’t create any more karmas, there is no question of rebirth. Including going to the guru, going to the guru is also a sort of karma, but that is positive karma. If you have positive karma, that will help you in your mokṣa-journey, it will quickly burn out the negative karma. Okay, so, you will finalize later. Okay (pointing t next student), okay, you tell me.

Student: Jupiter and Sun in 5th house.

Guruji: Jupiter and Sun in 5th house.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: No. What will that do? Yours is from 5th house. Jupiter is aspecting the 9th house. So, if from there that all of this is coming. But, you must be working very hard. because it requires a lot of practice. Tell me yours (pointing to another student)

Student: Jupiter is in 9th house,

Guruji: That’s it. Superb. Straight, clear. In saggitarius?

Student: cancer

Guruji: Fantastic

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: No, In Goyal Sahab’s case.

Gurvi Ji: Jupiter is in 9th house

Guruji: In saggitarius?

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: She is very choosy about who she is learning with and all that. Sometimes, she is very choosy and she asks tough questions, because Jupiter is there. Perfect student.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: because Jupiter is there. So, you ask such questions, I say something and you catch me immediately. Right now she asked such a question. But I had to escape and I escaped. Because I am also Meen Lagna. Okay, you tell (pointing to another student)

Student: Sun is exalted in Rāśi in 8th house and Meṣa is Navāṃśa rising. Sun is in 3rd house.

Guruji: If I am right, you have Meṣa Navāṃśa. Sun is exalted in Rāśi, 12th lord in 8th.

Student: Sun is in the 3rd house

Guruji: Sun is in the 3rd house, aspecting 9th house by rāśi dṛṣṭi. It is the 5th lord aspecting 9th house by rāśi dṛṣṭi, Sūrya.

Student: And then Jupiter.

Guruji: Your Jupiter is in 11th house in Navāṃśa.

Student: Yes

Guruji: That’s it.

Student: And Ātmakāraka is sitting in 9th house

Guruji: Hmm….

Student: And, if we take Mean Ketu, then Ketu is in 5th house

Guruji: Yes, I am taking only mean nodes. Why are you forcing the true nodes? We can not accept true nodes. If I accept true nodes, I have technical Problem. It becomes direct for a short while, what do I do? If you see the technical problem with the true nodes. It becomes direct and then retrograde. Direct and retrograde. It means Rāhu can be direct for a short while and then retrograde. If you take true nodes, you must write, Rāhu direct or Rāhu retrograde. If somebody says I am taking true nodes, he is not taking true nodes, He must write whether Rāhu is retrograde or Rāhu is direct.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Naturally, Grahan is the True node. Because a true node is the exact position of the intersection of the ecliptic.

Student: What was the…. when Sun is conjunct with Rāhu or Ketu…. (unclear)

Another Student: if we take true nodes, then Rāhu can also become direct

Guruji: When Rāhu is direct, he is no longer Rāhu, he is following the Sun.

Student: Okay, well, if we take true node and they are retrograde, then

Another Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Pardon! Mean Rāhu or Mean Nodes are always retrograde. Mean nodes are based upon the premise that Rāhu and Ketu are always retrograde and in opposite direction to Sun and Moon. Sun and Moon go in one direction, Rāhu and Ketu will go in opposite direction. They have to. that is the basic jyotiṣa principle.

Student: So, Ketu is in 5th house.

Guruji: So, your Ketu has to be in the 5th house. It has  to.

Student: that means I am learning Jyotiṣa myself. Jupiter, Mercury

Guruji: Ketu has to be in 5th. Why not. It has to be. The planet which gave you that Jyotiṣa is First Ketu and then Jupiter.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: No. No. That is different. You get that ability.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Then, the native will go towards Vedangaa. Jupiter is Veda. Jyotiṣa is a Vedangaa. So, that is why he is learning jyotiṣa as a Vedangaa. Otherwise they are more interested in chhandas and the Bijas and so many other things but it is not just one thing.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Yes. Yes. That ability of that Graha becomes very strong. The ātma is very strong. If Chandra is vargottama, mana is very strong. If the ātma is strong, the native doesn’t give up very easily, and is very strong in it’s position. If Jupiter is vargottama, tremendous knowledge. So, like that depending upon which graha is vargottama. Do you know sanskrit?

Student: Little bit.

Guruji: Little bit. Have you learned it formally?

Student: No.

Guruji: But you can read it slowly slowly.

Student: a little bit

Guruji: But if someone gives you something to read in sanskrit, you can read it in completion.

Student: yeah

Gurvi Ji: No, it is like if someone gives you a shloka or something in sanskrit, can you read it even if you haven’t read it before?

Guruji: Yeah Yeah. She can pick it up and read it. She has no problem in that. That’s pisces Navāṃśa. It has to be. Meen Navāṃśa NOTE IT.

Student: In third chapter, Varāhamihira has given maitri chakra. Has talked about “su-hridaya”, mitra, sama, and shatru. He has repeated the words which is there, four times. Then I thought that this cannot be a coincidence. He talks about suhridaya. Then he used the same term in the 5th chapter, and says that when a planet is guarded and is aspected by Sūrya, it makes a rajyoga.

Guruji: Suhridaya basically means which totally agrees with you from inside.

Student: Suhridaya could also means that it is the great friend of the Jiva and the Ātma.

Guruji: Correct, Correct.

Student: So, basically, for Chandra, Śani and Śukra are called to be suhridaya. And has repeated it in 5th chapter. When a planet is guarded and aspected by a suhridaya, it makes a rajyoga.

Gurvi Ji: When the planet is what, sir?

Guruji: Exalted

Student: That not what I said. I said, “aspected by the suhridaya”, It means that ChandRama, or Moon, Venus and saturn can give a rajyoga of higher order.

Guruji: Moon and Venus are the main planet for the Rājayoga.

Student: And generally, Sun etc… can’t give rajyoga of that order.

Guruji: Correct. You can be the top minister, but you will become a humble farmer when you retire. (laughing). Marial, now your chart, your Navāṃśa.

Student: So, Jupiter is aspecting 9th house, 5th house dṛṣṭi. Sun is aspecting Lagna by dṛṣṭi. (some of it is unclear)

Guruji: No, my question is that among these four planets is any of them sitting in 1 5 or 9 house or lord of these house?

Gurvi Ji: are they in 1, 5 or 9 or lords of these houses?

Student: (not clear)

Gurvi Ji: She is involved in Jyotiṣa all the time.

Guruji: So, which planet is giving the rāśi dṛṣṭi?

Student: Jupiter is giving rāśi dṛṣṭi to the 9th. And, Sūrya is giving it to the Lagna.

Guruji: Right. So, it is Jupiter who is giving rāśi dṛṣṭi to the 9th which got you good teachers who taught you jyotiṣa and so, you learned jyotiṣa. Okay, when did you start learning jyotiṣa?

Student: I don’t know the antardaśā and all

Guruji: Check up all that. Clear? Okay?

Student: should the aspect be in any one the trines or all the trines?

Guruji: Depending upon different issues. If it the Lagna, then it will be naturally from the childhood.

Student: most of the planets are aspecting something or the other.

Guruji: Good. Aspecting means that there is a chance that it will happen. So, there is a chance that you can get Mokṣa by getting all the abilities of the grahas. But unfortunately that will not happen because you don’t have that capacity to that the ablities of the all. Your learning capacity, you need that. 1, 5 or 9, show the three ways to learning. 1 shows from childhood. Now, what to do, you are already grownup, you cannot go and become a child again. What is learnt is learnt, remaining of it will be in next life. Then 5th house, that is, you can learn by abhyaas I.e., practice, without guru. 9th house means you have to learn with the guru, without the guru, you cannot get the knowledge. You will not get that knowledge, don’t think that simply because the planet is in the 9th house, you will get the knowledge from that planet like that. You need a guru otherwise, you cannot learn. That knowledge will not come to you without a guru. Okay?

Student: So, the planet aspecting the 9th house only show the….

Guruji: You will have to have that knowledge from a guru. Without a guru, you cannot get it. The condition is applying. 5th house is abhyaas, you have to work very hard to get that knowledge. So, practice, you have to work, work and work, and you will get that knowledge. Lagna, it comes naturally. You already got it. If the graha is sitting in Lagna and is in strength, surely it will make you superb. Okay?

Student:  Mine is not done.

Guruji: Okay, tell me yours.

Student: Jupiter in Lagna, Siṃha Lagna, and Sun in 3rd house. Jyotiṣa started in sun mahādaśā only.

Guruji: Goyal Ji and I have a small debate on his Navāṃśa. He says he is Meṣa Navāṃśa I don’t agree with that. He is not at all aggressive. I have never seen any aggression in him. Not even worth 10 paisa worth of aggression in him. Sometimes, I even provoke him for a tiny bit of anger. But there is no anger in him. How can I…. Who will accept his Meṣa Navāṃśa? He insists upon it, he has done his calculation. You tell me, Do you accept his Meṣa Navāṃśa?

Student: No.

Guruji: Impossible. Anyway, that is a never-ending debate.

Student: what is Sun in 3rd house?

Guruji: Sun in 3rd house is got what?

Student: 9th house

Guruji: No. That is only graha dṛṣṭi. If you learn for about two months then you will go away. May be it will happen, we don’t know.

Student: Jupiter is in Navāṃśa Lagna.

Guruji: Do you know Sanskrit?

Student: I studied it in school.

Guruji: Okay. Can you read a shloka?

Another student: that one shloka, that was only one shloka, and you could not read it. Jupiter cannot be in Lagna.

Guruji: Yes. No chance, No way. Jupiter in Navāṃśa Lagna: a person will pick up languages like (very quickly), vachaspati. That is the meaning of the word Vachaspati. You take any person with Strong Jupiter in Navāṃśa Lagna, languages will come very easily. They are not troubles by words and languages.

Student: I used to get 90 plus marks in Sanskrit.

Guruji: That is like, I used to score 80 percent above marks in biology, but in life I have never even cut a frog like that because it will create a Sin. I was very good in biology. How did I become good in biology? Because I did the horoscope of my Biology teacher, and the horoscope of her sister, husband, and relatives. I got highest marks. She only did the dissection. When she did it, how can give herself bad marks. She gave good marks. So, that is no argument that “I have got so much marks”. This cannot be an argument. If Jupiter is in Navāṃśa Lagna, and the person doesn’t know sanskrit, how is it possible? It is natural, it will come naturally to you. No. I am not sure about this Navāṃśa Lagna. What is the other option if you take the Navāṃśa Lagna slightly back? What is the planet in the 12th house?

Student: Moon in 12th.

Guruji: Do you like singing? In evening, do you like to go out with friends?

Student: Yes

Guruji: Yeah. Moon is exalted in Vṛṣabha, that is correct I am telling you. You are relaxed and cool. Easy going. That is the Moon. I know Moon. That is a very good graha. Very social planet. you like friends and you like social this thing. You care a lot about society, your family, and you care for everybody around you. I know the Chandra. That is your nature. Correct that Navāṃśa. You have got a whole list now, you are supposed to be sharing knowledge and correcting your navamshas. Navāṃśa should be corrected, by now, you should know. By now, you should have learned about navamshas. Talk with with other and find out. Alright?

Gurvi Ji: Between discussing these charts, we haven’t come down to his Navāṃśa. Then Vidya’s Navāṃśa, we did it quiet a bit. Then we did some other part of his chart but not the Navāṃśa.

Student: For that someone has to write about his own Navāṃśa.

Gurvi Ji: Even when we were discussing, we did the charts quiet a few times, but did not do it extra for Navāṃśa.

Guruji: I think you should work on your Navāṃśa more. The idea of this lists and all is to exchange some mails. Spend a little time maybe 10 minutes or 15 minutes. Even when you are analyzing the chart and such things, it will surely help. Okay? So this is what I had to share with you all today. Actually, I thought I would take one hour but I have taken more than that. Remaining, Sarbani will do. You should discuss the navamshas. I want you to be sure about all the navamshas before you go. Next class I will be doing, what do you want me to do. Tell me, what do you want me to do. See, people don’t come with questions. Okay? do you have any questions? Any question generally which you have problem with?

Student: How would you conclude a person as (unclear)

Guruji: It is very simple. It is very simple.

Student: How to see it from the chart.

Guruji: Very simple. Marriage is 7th house? In the natural zodiac, who is the lord of that house?

Student: Venus

Guruji: Second marriage is seen from second house?

Student: Venus

Guruji: Who is the lord of that house in natural zodiac?

Student: Venus

Guruji: So, you see that the whole game is that of Venus. This whole game is Venus’s game. Venus is a very peculiar planet, from where Venus sits, he damages the 6th house from it. Okay? So, If Venus is in the second house, that means what is going to happen. That means, this person likes 7th house very much but will not be able to marry because Venus will decide whom you will marry. I know 1 case of a fellow, very decent person. He loved girl very madly, he came to me literally for three years he was after me “please get me married to her. You know all the mantras and you know everything. Just, I do not mean bad to her, I do not mean anything, I love her very much and I want to marry her”. I called her and I talked to her. She heard everything and agreed but said “I can’t marry him. For marriage, it’s a different way, I look at this person as a brother, how can I marry him?” Do you see the problem now? He is a very decent person. “Yes, he is very decent, he has got very good money, everything is fine, but, I cannot marry him. It is not possible. I cannot look at him like that”. It became a very serious problem. His Venus was in second house. You see the problem with Venus in the second house? The first one is 7th house. It will always cut. So, his Venus was in second house, and Mars was also in the second house, the 7th house has had it.

Student: Is this the Rāśi chart or the Navāṃśa?

Guruji: Rāśi or Navāṃśa, whichever varga you take. We are talking of marriage and relationships. We are talking about Lagna and the 7th house. In the Rāśi chart, you can still get over it. In the Navāṃśa: you will marry and then get out of it. See the difference between the two. In the Rāśi chart, you will not marry, you will lose one and then come to the second one. If it happens in the Navāṃśa chart, and if the Rāśi chart is showing good marriage in the first one, the marriage will take place, but you will break it because of the Navāṃśa. Do you see the difference between the two Navāṃśa chart is showing how the marriage will go on. Rāśi is showing whether you will marry at all or not? Because the physical body has to sit in a marriage place and get married. In your mind, you may have married 10 times in the movies. But, if you physically don’t go to a church or a temple and sit down and do the ceremony, then you are not married to the person. So, the physical marriage is coming from the Rāśi chart. Whereas the mental marriage is coming from the Navāṃśa chart. What is dharma really? Dharma is in the mind. If in the mind, I don’t accept somebody, what can you do about it? Dharma has to be accepted in the mind first. it is called the acceptability of something. So, in the Navāṃśa, ability is the state of mind. Ability: it is what your mind knows. If you are good in mathematics, your mind is good in mathematics. Do you see my point? So, basically, we are talking of two situations. One, in which the body is accepting a situation. And, two, in which the mind is accepting a situation. Often, the Rāśi chart can prevent marriage completely. But the Navāṃśa had wanted it very much. But if the Rāśi chart, allows the marriage to go on, sometimes people are forced into marriage-situations and they get married. If the Navāṃśa chart does not want it, it is just the question of time before it breaks. That is the difference. We need to see the 7th house in Rāśi as well as in the Navāṃśa.

Student: so it is the second house

Guruji: No. Second house is going to break the first one and then…

Student: But, breaking is there, but, would that result into second marriage also if the first one is gone and divorced already. And if the person still wants to know whether he will get married or not

Guruji: very simple, see the second Upapada in the Rāśi chart. And in the Navāṃśa, see the second house in the Navāṃśa chart.

Student: how do we see the second Upapada

Guruji: In the Rāśi chart, there must be a Upapada which got the first marriage?

Student: After that, you see the second Upapada is the 8th from the first Upapada. Then 3rd Upapada, 4th, 5th and 6th, I go to so much. Today morning, I did four Upapada for one person. Three times married.

Student: So, the number will keep increasing to the no. of marriages.

Guruji: Yes, sure. Upapada should be for any of the eight types of marriages.

Student: Second Upapada, you will take from where?

Guruji: 8th from the 1st Upapada. Let us say somebody’s Upapada was in……

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: House confuses, count according to Rāśi. Meṣa Rāśi let us say. So, 2nd Upapada will go to Vṛścika. 3rd Upapada will go to Mithuna. Fourth Upapada will go to Makara.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: Yes, 8th from 8th from 8th from 8th…… simple formula. And we are going 8th-8th-8th for each. So, when I am seeing the Upapada, I see the Upapada to see the māyā of the Marriage. It is all māyā. Mandap etc is all māyā. What is more important for me, is to study the Navāṃśa. I must start the first marriage from 7th house of the Navāṃśa. Second house will be second marriage. 9th house is third marriage. 4th house is 4th.

11th house is 5th. like, that I can go on.

Student: Do we take Upapada in Navāṃśa?

Guruji: It’s about Navāṃśa. I am not bothered about Upapada right now. The Upapada of Navāṃśa has different meaning altogether. I am not bothered about it right now.

Student: Rāśi’s Upapada?

Guruji: The Upapada of the Rāśi. Because the Māyā is in the physical world. If there is nothing physical then what māyā are you talking about? You say that this glass is māyā. What does it mean? Am I dreaming this glass? Or this glass is actually physically there? Physically it is present. So, māyā is associated with the physical world. Māyā means something which is associated with the physicality. But which is not permanent in it’s existence. If it is permanent in it’s existence, then it is not māyā

Student: Are we deriving that in divisional charts in ārūḍha?

Guruji: Ārūḍha are nothing but a manifestations of the mind. For example, when you ask Sanjay get me a glass of water, why am I not getting the glass of water in this cup why am I getting water in this glass? Because my mind is accepting this shape of this material as glass. The word glass means this and not that. That is cup. So, the ārūḍha of this is an image in the mind. So, when you first told me “Sanjay, get me a glass of water”, I first got the glass of water in my mind and gave it to you. And then in the physical world, I am only copying it. The water I have already given it you in the mind and you have drunk it. But in the physical world I am copying it. The action takes place in the mind. What we call Manas Puja. Manas (with mind) Puja must take place before I do the Shairik  (with body) Puja. Offer lamp, my mind has already done this, but now, I have to go get a lamp put ghee in it, put that, light that. My body is only copying it what is there in my mind. What is my mind, is the varga, what is happening out here, is the Rāśi.

Student: So, therefore, you only see the Rāśi. Already it has taken place in the varga. Guruji: The varga is a different issue altogether, I am confusing them. So, this: I am seeing Upapada in the Rāśi chart, because we are talking of a tangible wife, we are married to a physical wife. Let us say, can you marry Cleopatra? You have heard of cleopatra? Why you can’t marry her?

Student: only in the mental, not physical.

Guruji: Right, she doesn’t have a body to get married to her. We need the physical existence, so, we need the Rāśi chart. Am I being understood? So, when we say, somebody is a President of India, so what. He has got a table and he has got a chair, what did he get? Did he get some kind of a special thing to sit on? When he became president, Abdul Kalam ji got what? He got a table and he got a chair. What else did he got? Cars and other things which we don’t have. But, I can buy Car and those things, then?

Student: Address

Guruji: He got the best address in Town? Okay. what else? These are all associated with the ārūḍha, it is only a Game of the mind. But in reality what did he get? He just got the table and the chair. That house etc, he doesn’t won that anyway. He doesn’t decide what is the half the things in the house. Do you know that big Baboon, that big monkey has to be, man is around there to take it around the garden everyday so that the small monkey stay out. Can you say no to that? No. He can’t. He is the president, he cannot do that. Because his security will be at stake. People could put bombs in the monkey and then send them inside. You see? There are so many issues involved? So, when we talk of these things. Same table and chair he has got. So, the ārūḍha is manifested int he minds of the people. The ārūḍha is riding the minds of the people. If You become president of India, everybody in India, will know. If you become the president of some “x” or “y” company, how many people will know. So, ārūḍha is strong when it rides the more minds. Ārūḍha is weak when it rides fewer minds. Question of ārūḍha is what, “how many minds it is riding”. It is not riding anybody else, it is riding your own mind. A little tiny space of my mind I have to that name “Abdul Kalam”. Why did I do that? It is not necessary. The space could have also be taken by mantra Oṃ Namaḥ Śivāya. So, that is the reason why, to get out this entire ārūḍha, only one way you can get out this ārūḍha, is to go away from this sansara. To sit in the Himalaya on top, close your cave, forget newspaper, even human beings can’t exist there, no mobiles work there, sit and do over there; arudhas are finished. Somebody is president and somebody is servant, how does it matter to you? When it doesn’t matter to you, then you are ready for Mokṣa. So long as it matters to you, you are not ready for Mokṣa. Because that is the asat within you. Ārūḍha is the asat, it is not truth. Because it is asat, that is why you are not ready for mokṣa. You think it matters to God, who is the boss of this whole universe, that who is the president of India? It doesn’t matter. Firstly, God will say, how many countries are there in this world? He won’t even have time, he will just call Yama, and ask him “tell me, how many countries are there these days”. Yama will say, which year are we talking about, 2006, okay, 10,000 years back they had so many, and he will send chitragupta. “Chitragupta go and find out how many countries are there in world”, the records are so old. So, how many countries are there. Why will one country’s president be more important than another country’s president? God has no reason to be biased towards his children, so, they are all equally important. So, the president of Timbaktu and president of India are the same in his eyes. See, person who is indulging in this asat, in this ārūḍha, mokṣa is impossible. IMPOSSIBLE. Understand? You got the manifested ārūḍha from the physical body and from the mind, how it plays. This cup is there on my mind. Everything that we are seeing physically, red cup, like that everything, this whole 3D picture, with color, feeling and smell like the strong smell of coffee; all that stays in my memory. That is the ārūḍha in my varga, because the mind is the varga, and all the vargas are in my mind. They work through the mind.

Student: So, the varga will also take ārūḍha.

Guruji: Yes. Ārūḍha Lagna is your image at work. (d10). for example, I may have very good ārūḍha in Rāśi chart, but a very bad ārūḍha in my d10. In my d10, I have got Vṛścika ārūḍha. In my work, what was my image, you ask people out there. They say, “if you don’t talk to him it’s better”.  Vṛścika ārūḍha, I would not talk to anybody, I would sting them. Whoever comes to me. That was my job, Descipline! What is the work of somebody in-charge of Discipline? You have to become Sarpa. So, you see my point? So, the ārūḍha is different in different places. What is my ārūḍha in my d24. What is my ārūḍha in my d20. So, I will have different image in different places. My image at work will be something, my image at home will be something.

Student: The same person would have different image?

Guruji: Yes. In different-different vargas of life, you will have different different image. That is different different arudhas you are having. Somewhere it is good and somewhere it is bad. Sometimes, something is going up and something is going down.

Student: what about Upapada. How do get Upapada in d9?

Guruji: See, for example, you are facing Upapada in d9. What about Upapada in d10?

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: so, you must have somebody as Upapada in office? One Upapada in office, and one Upapada in home? Rubbish.

Student: (everybody laughing).

Guruji: Upapada is only in the Rāśi chart. In the d9 chart, it is vyaya pada. As far as your wife is concerned in the mental level, she is expenditure.

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: In the d20, the same wife will become Gauna Pada. If she does not sit, your Puja cannot be completed. Some of your pujas, specially the puja to Indra, Śiva will still take your prayers. Viṣṇu Ji will take anybody’s Puja. He is Hariya. But there are some deities, for example, if you are married, you cannot be worshipping Śiva alone, you have to worship Śiva with Parvati and you have to sit with your wife and do the abhishek. If Your wife is not there for some reason, you have to put her statue, and then do it. Ashwamedha. Any Agni sacrifice, any of the yagyas, any homa, if your wife is not sitting next to you, it is khandita. So, in d20, she is Gauna Pada. So, it is a question of which division of life, are you talking about. The same person is having different different value. In d10, she is zero, if she comes to your office, your work is gone. I am telling you this truth today. You take any great worker, if his wife comes and stands up in his place of work, he cannot work over there, he is a different personality, he is confused. You take it from me. Nawab Mansur Ali Khan Pataudi, the Indian cricket captain, he would hit a century every time he went to bat, half a century or a century, smashed, what style. His wife would go and sit, she would wave to him and he would wave to her, style, ready, bat, first ball he is gone, he is walking out. Not even once, did he make even one run, you see his cricketing history. Everytime his wife would go and sit over there, zero. Why? Vyaya pada.

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: D24 is not the material world. Varga have to do with the material world, she becomes vyaya pada, but in spiritual, she is Gaun pada.

Student: (not clear)

Guruji: D16, it is very important. Kalamsh, it is very important. d20, very important. d24, also very important. In education matters, she is your best friend. There can be no better one to learn with, than your wife. You learn any subject with your wife, you will learn it like that.

Student: what about d9?

Guruji: In D9, she is VVIP, but she is vyaya pada. It is vyaya. What is Gaun in it? There is no spirituality in that. There is nothing called spirituality over there.

Student: Upapada is calculated for first, second, third; but for somebody who is engaged for only a short while, and the engagement breaks up within a month or two. Is that considered?

Guruji: It can be taken in today’s world. In earlier times, they did not have nay contact at all. You would get married and become completely devoted to each other. But these days, it does not happen like that.

Student: (unclear)

Guruji: But it often happens. They date and they go out together and they spend night together and much more happens these days.

Student: if it’s even for a month, is it still Upapada?

Guruji: depends.

Student: unclear)

Guruji: correct. A case came to me, you take this case. A case which boy and a girl got engaged, it happened in London, they had a beautiful engagement ceremony. Date of marriage was fixed. They were going to see the house in which they were going to shift after marriage. When they went and saw one particular house, it’s value was very high, the girl wanted it, and boy said “okay, that needs some loan and this and that”. Both of them were sitting and debating and all that. So, the guy was carrying some drinks, so, they poured the drink to her. Next thing she remembers that she fainted and she couldn’t remember what exactly happened. She broke off the engagement. She said this guy raped me. The person who rapes is not good. This guy says: “I didn’t do anything, you fainted for reasons I din’t understand, I called up everybody and I got you back home”. Tell me, what would you do? After seeing all the things the decision was decided, “whether the marriage will be there or it will be broken” based upon my word. Whether I say he raped her or not raped by this guy. Can you imagine what kind of……oh my God. No. No. I looked at all their charts, and told her. I have her an answer, they are not married. The boy had of course done something wrong. The question that’s debatable here is, when the parents know that these two are getting married, number one, they are living in a permissive society like London. You don’t want them to have any Physical relationship  or anything like that. Then why do you allow them to go out and see house together and things like that, together. You allow that and when something happens and you say “this fellow did like that”. I had to be very truthful, I told the truth.

Student: they are not married?

Guruji: No. She was very clear. She said that it shows the nature of the person. It is not the question of right or wrong, it shows the nature of the person.

Student: so, the first UL will continue or is it over?

Guruji: First UL is over.

Student: that what I was thinking. Because, mentally, she had perceived that

Guruji: they were going to see the house. The whole incident happened in that house,= that they were going to buy, and that’s it, UL happened there. Look, it is like this, you have to differentiate between A7 and UL. In A7, it is a contractual agreement, whereas in UL, it is a mental, “I accept this person as husband”. She had….at that point of time she had… and then that incident happened, and that incident caused the breakage of the marriage. If she had accepted, then only they were going to see the house for marriage. Very Dicey thing. Who can understand Māyā? It’s a very difficult case. You need a very strong Jupiter to get over it. The planet which really helps you to get over this AL and UL and all that, is Jupiter. Because who else. When the Moon stole Tārā, the entire battle is for Tārā. Tārā is with the Moon in every horoscope. Tārā has to shift to Jupiter, if Tārā shifts to Jupiter, you are on the path of Mokṣa. This is the difference. When Tārā is with Chandra, then you are in Asat and Māyā, and Caturdaśī Doṣa will come on you, Amāvasyā Doṣa will come, Pratipadā Doṣa will come. Means, on chaturdashi, you will die, on amavasya you will burn in hell, and on paratipad, you will take birth again. This is the truth. This is the truth of rebirth, what is rebirth? You will die one day, when you will die? Caturdaśī indicates death. Kṛṣṇa Caturdaśī means death, mrityu, marana. Symbolic expression of death is Kṛṣṇa Caturdaśī. That is why, on Kṛṣṇa Caturdaśī, you do Oṃ Namaḥ Śivāya. Why do you do Oṃ Namaḥ Śivāya? Because It is Marana. Then after that? Amāvasyā. You are boiling in a pot. When you are boiling in a pot, that time, Śiva is in Dhyāna, Mā Mā you are crying out for your mother. You cry out for Kālī. She is the only one who can save you. And then? Pratipadā: you take birth again. You atone for your sins, you take birth again. When the Moon will appear, you have taken birth. That is the symbolic expression of rebirth. That is why these tithis are doṣa. Why is Kṛṣṇa Caturdaśī a doṣa? It is maraṇa doṣa. Amāvasyā doṣa is known as pāpa doṣa. Pratipadā Doṣa: pratipadā is not really a doṣa tithi, it is for pratikāra. That means you are doing things to get over your sins. On dvitīyā, you take birth. Just like that, when Tārā will leave Chandra, you are out of this cycle of Caturdaśī, Amāvasyā and Pratipadā; and you have gone to Jupiter. Jupiter; there is not such problem. There is no question of rebirth. There is a big meaning, a spiritual implication of this. Okay? Clear?