What is Lagna? Physical existence? Why it is wrong, I will explain it to you. From Sūrya, we see wealth, and prosperity and all the needs. From Chandra, we see longevity. And, from Lagna, we see intelligence. Then how can we say that physical existence is from Lagna? Physical existence is from Chandra. The Prāṇa is coming from Chandra. The amount of Prāṇa given by Chandra is directly proportional to the strength of the body. See, this is called Mā. The word “Mā” is me or my physical existence. And, this physical body has come from whom? Not from father. Father has not given you the body. Mother has given it. Mother has given you the physical body. So, Chandra or Mā will decide how long your physical body will stay on this planet. Longevity is from Moon, is from Chandra. This physical body’s maintenance is done by Chandra. The repair of the physical body is done by Chandra. Whether you will get a good doctor or you’ll get a bad doctor; who will decide it? Chandra will decide. That is why Monday-fasting or worshipping Śiva on Monday gives good health. Moon, Mondays, the Moon has to do with your mind. If your health is good, your mind will be good.
If your hand is broken now and you are in pain, and you are taking medicine, then your mind will also not be good. Mind is having direct connection with your body. Body and Manas have direct connection with Chandra. Lagna is intelligence, Dhī. It is the seat of your intelligence. It is the seat of your personality. Your personality is based upon many factors, one is your intelligence. It is the individual’s physical…. Lagna modifies Chandra. Like Śarīra, two hands, I have got two hands and you have got two hands, that is Chandra. Salman Khan is having two hands, and you are having two hands, it’s Chandra. But Salman Khan is using his hands to use a gun. You are using your hands to use a pen. That is Lagna. Are you understanding the difference? What is the difference? Difference is: Chandra is defining body, Lagna is the intelligence of that body, the identifying feature of that body. Salman Khan is having big muscles; you are having small muscles. That is the difference. That is Lagna, not Chandra. Alright? Clear? Am I clear on this factor?
So, what is Lagna? Aisī Lagī Lagan Mīrā Ho Gayī Magan.. how did Mīrā get Magan if she did not have a Lagna? Her intelligence was completely directed towards Kṛṣṇa. Lagna is intelligence, and was fully in Yoga with the supreme intelligence; is called Magan. Magan means completely in Yoga. There is no differentiation, she became one with Iṣṭa Devatā. That Lagna is supreme which can have such a Yoga with Iṣṭa Devatā. So, one very important thing is that the Iṣṭa Devatā planet is the crucial planet in the horoscope, because he guides the Lagna. Bhagavān is working through the Lagna. So, what is meant by Lagna? Lagna also means yoke, is tied, controlling factor is Buddhi. Whichever direction Lagna will look, Jīva will go in that direction.
Student: because the focus is there
Gurujī: yes, because it is the controlling factor. It is the Viveka. The discriminating power. The power by which you are deciding, something is good or bad. India and United States signed a nuclear deal. Many people, I tell you, are happy. Many people all over India are happy. In America, they are celebrating, NRIs are celebrating. Big party they are having. But there are many mad fellows here in Aligarh and Lucknow who torched police vehicles and one fellow, i.e., a small kid, was even killed. You see? The event is the same, Chandra is the event, the event is the same, but the effect is different for different people. Some people are happy, some people are sad. And, this happiness and sadness are based upon their Viveka, their discriminating power. They do not have the power to discriminate. If they have the power to discriminate completely, then they will not be happy and they will not be sad. Because happiness and sorrow are only two sides of the coin, like Sat and Asat. Yesterday, this is what we were discussing, there is neither Sat nor Asat. Are you able to understand what I am saying? Importance of the Lagna is the power of discrimination, the power to decide between good and bad.
This Viveka is on Lagna. Whichever Graha is sitting on Lagna, he will dominate over the Viveka, he will dominate over the discrimination power. And his domination will cause the intelligence to take a decision in a certain direction. Look at Rāvaṇa. Rāvaṇa was so intelligent, a Brāhmaṇa of the highest order. He was the son of the Ṛṣi Kaśyapa. With that supreme intelligence, what happened? This, right left right left right left.. good bad good bad good bad… thinking and thinking and thinking, after thinking so much, in which direction his Buddhi went: “it is right to kidnap Sītā”. (that’s how his discrimination works). After all this intelligence application, the net result was: he should kidnap Sītā. So, is that discriminating power good or bad? From a common man’s perspective, it is bad. If the discriminating power is ultimately resulting in bad, that means the Lagna is Pāpayukta. Lagna/intelligence is Pāpayukta. It is conjoined malefic. It is having a dominance of malefic planet. The Navagraha, Chandra is in the center. You think of this… have you.. you know Samudra Manthana? The churning of the ocean? This head is like Kūrma Avatāra. This head is like Kūrma Avatāra. This is Meru. Here the Kūrma Avatāra is in your heart. Sorry. Kūrma Avatāra is in your heart. Ok? Because of Kūrma Avatāra, we are facing our Karmas. Kūrma is Śani? Śani is our Karma, our Pāpa Karma, becoming suffering experience. The mount Meru is here, wherever intelligence is at. The Devas and Asuras are doing the churning inside the head. In the centre of the head is the Manas, Chandra, he is in the middle. And the four planets are on this (one) side and four planets are on that (opposite side) side. The Moon or Chandra is neutral. For him, there is nothing called good and bad. The perfect Manas is perfectly balanced. Nothing is good, nothing is bad. If nothing is good, there is no need to be happy. If nothing is bad, there is no need to be sad. So, don’t become happy, don’t become sad. That is perfect Manas. But, because of the dominance of the Grahas, either we become happy or we become sad. Happiness is caused by the Suras. The sorrow is caused by the Asuras.
Who are the Sura planets? Sun, Jupiter, Mars, who else? Will I consider Ketu also over there, Mokṣa Kāraka? In a material plane, Ketu is malefic, Asura. But in the spiritual plane, Ketu is benefic (Sura). So, this side extreme, we have got Ketu Mokṣa Kāraka, and then Bṛhaspati, and then after that? Bṛhaspati is Jupiter. After that we have got Sun. And we have got Maṅgala. These are the Suras, who are giving you happiness. When do you get happiness? When Sūrya.. Sūrya means: you get wealth. Anybody, if suddenly wins a lottery, how happy you become? The day you get your salary…how happy you become? Mars: whether you are able to defeat somebody, you become very happy. You have defeated, you have succeeded. You have been able to exert your strength and authority. You become happy. It is not good. Who asked you to do that? Bṛhaspati: when you eat a good food, when all your good desires are fulfilled, when you have great knowledge, when you learn something new, you become happy. Ketu Mokṣa Kāraka: when you go and do some meditation, when you do Satsaṅga of Sādhus and spiritual people, you will come back with a bliss. These are all Sura Grahas.
The Asura Grahas: Budha, when you go to work, not one person is there who is in service and who can say that I am very happy because I am in service. Not one person is there in this world. Everybody is looking forward to the day… the day he joins service, he is looking forward to the day of his retirement. He’ll save enough, he will be happy. After retirement: I will do this, I will do this, I will do this. By then, he is too old to do anything. See, Mercury: it’s a delusion. I need so much money, after I get so much money, then I will retire. I will take a good holiday after I get so much money. Mercury: Asura. He is only going to make you work and giving you the greed of money. The greed of money comes from Budha, that is why he is Asura. Ultimately, it will lead to sorrow. You will ultimately become unhappy because of this “running after money”. No matter how much you run after it. Not one person who has run after money has been happy. Śukra: entertainment, physical desires, luxury to the body, there is no limit. Some people sleep on the floor, some people want good mattress, some people want double mattress. Other people say it is third class and you need feather mattresses. Other people say, feather is worse, we need water mattresses. Have you heard of it? They sleep on water. Just see, there is no end to it. Is there any limit to all this? There is no end to it. Recently in Japan, I was reading, a person has been arrested by the thing because he did not pay taxes and photograph of his bathroom was taken, he had a dream that when he goes and sits on the toilet, that shit-pot, that should be made of gold. So, he made it from gold. Can you imagine? Is there a limit to crankiness? Śukra can give you any kind of crankiness. We find him cranky, he thinks we are all jealous of him. There is nothing to be jealous. It is abhorrent behavior, of having absurd desires. There is no limit to desires, that is Śukra. Śani is the sorrow of the defeated one. Just like Maṅgala is the joy of the victorious one, Śani is the sorrow of the defeated one. Rāhu is the shock of the cheated one. When you get cheated, how you feel shocked as if your head has been cut, like head has been cut or nose has been cut. You might have heard such phrases: “my respect is gone, my reputation is over”. The important factor here, the crucial factor here, is, what causes this? Those were the Suras and these are the Asuras. Because you defeated somebody because of Maṅgala, one day he will defeat you: Śani. So, he who pursues Maṅgala, will also get Śani. There is no escape. Because the balance has to be restored, ultimately, zero balance point has to come in the Lagna. If zero balance point has to be got ultimately; if you have defeated somebody today, that person tomorrow, has to defeat you. That is balance of nature. This is unavoidable. If you cut a chicken today, then in next birth, you will become chicken and he will eat you. This is must. This is called balance. Everything is balanced. So, if you took the path of Maṅgala, you have to see Śani. So, what is the way out. If you don’t want Śani in your life, what is the way out? Leave Maṅgala completely. Let go of Maṅgala: Ahiṃsā. Perfect Ahiṃsā. Means, Mars has been left. If you leave Mars, you will not see Śani also. That Maṅgala and Śani, which is a pair, is a beautiful pair, leave them out completely. I don’t want this. I do not want to win because I do not wish to lose. If I never win, I will never lose. Why do I need to win? Why should I win? There is no need to win. What will I get by defeating somebody? When you have that Viveka, that is Lagna. Lagna means perfect balance. Okay?
Now, talk of Jupiter. Jupiter is balanced by Venus. When Venus is the fulfillment of all the material desires, what is Jupiter. Jupiter says that there is no limit. Both are Gurus. One is giving the knowledge to enjoy the desires. One (another) is giving the knowledge to renounce the desire. One is teaching you: limit yourself, there is no end to satisfaction. Okay? So, your value system comes from Jupiter. If Jupiter aspects the Lagna, then the planets aspecting Jupiter, they will tell you what kind of values you are having. Okay? If Mars is aspecting Jupiter, then the person will have very good value in war. Even in war, he will forgive his enemy if Maṅgala is aspecting Jupiter. If Saturn is aspecting Jupiter, he will have very good value in labor. What is the meaning of value in labor? He will be very fair-minded, he will be hard-working, your value system. If I have taken salary, I will surely do the work. If I have given the commitment, I will surely do the work. Who will surely do the work? When Saturn is aspecting Jupiter or Lagna. Your value system comes from Jupiter. If in a horoscope, Sun is aspecting Jupiter, what does it mean? Very high spiritual values. Sun-Jupiter. Sun aspecting Jupiter, or, Jupiter aspecting Sun; means spiritual values are very high. If Moon is having good Yoga with Jupiter, it means mental values are very high, social values are very high. Maṅgala: value in war. See, when we do the horoscopes, we do the horoscope of Śrī Rāma to understand what is the meaning of all this.
In the horoscope of Śrī Rāma, we have Jupiter in Lagna, Jupiter is in Lagna, exalted Jupiter in Lagna. The exalted Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by Mars from the 7th house: very high value even in war. In the last minute also, he told, “Rāvaṇa, even now, all you have to do is tell me sorry and return my wife, I don’t want your kingdom, I don’t want to kill all you people. You return my wife, then, forgiveness. I don’t want to do all this, this war is not necessary. Let us go. Even in the end when Rāvaṇa was just about to die, before like the last arrow, he said, “even now you tell “no”, I’ll forgive you”. This is high value system in war. So, what high value? So, Śrī Rāma had Mars aspecting Jupiter and Jupiter was also aspecting Mars. He had Chandra with Jupiter. What is Chandra with Jupiter? High social values. What are high social values? How did he display high social values? You see, one Dhobī/washerman came and told him that, “you see just because you have come and kept your wife, she went and stayed with somebody else, you have kept her. My wife, if she had gone and stayed with your uncle, I will not keep her. She had to go away. If she is my wife, she has to live with me. She can’t go live here and there in the night”. It’s nothing but a question of faith and …. Faith and suspicion are two different things. But Śrī Rāma thought: what the washerman is telling, is a social value. If I do not satisfy his social need then no woman is going to stay with her husband. They will always sleep one day here one day there, all this nonsense will go on. So, Śrī Rāma thought, if I have to respect the social value, then my wife will also have to follow the same rule that is applicable to the washerman. So, if the washerman will have to leave his wife, I will also have to leave my wife. What would some other king would have done? He would have called the washerman, slapped the fellow and put him in jail. What did Śrī Rāma do? “No, what you say is right, there is a social value. Social value is that the wife and the husband must live together. And, because of this, my wife will be separated from me”. So, Sītā had to go to the jungle. Those were the values at that point of time. In today’s Kaliyuga, it doesn’t matter. People may not be following those values of Śrī Rāma. But you Must understand the point of view of Śrī Rāma. He had very high social values. There is a typical phrase we have in India: Log kyā kahenge, (what will people say). You see that “Log kyā kahenge” will be applicable in all horoscopes, where the Moon is aspected by Jupiter or the Moon aspects Jupiter. Log kyā kahenge. So, in all those horoscopes, where the Moon is in trines to Jupiter, 7th from Jupiter, conjoined Jupiter; you will see this value system. And, these people are very concerned about their public image. And, when the public image gets damaged, these people can be totally damaged. Do you understand? The value system is getting hit when their image will fall, if Moon is with Jupiter. If Moon is not with Jupiter, the person doesn’t care. Either you scold them, use foul language or you speak nicely to them, it doesn’t make a difference. Log kyā kahenge, (what people might say), I don’t care. What I feel is right. You see the difference in the mentality? The mentality is differing, it will depend upon Jupiter. Jupiter will show what your value system is. So, value system is very very crucial.
When Sūrya is conjoined or aspected by Jupiter, we told spiritual value? You know how spiritual values manifest in life? They manifest in the form of Guru. If my Guru will tell me something, it is better to die than to disobey the Guru. In this life, I have to fulfill what my Guru says. Who thinks like this? It’s a peculiar way of thinking, you know? My Guru has told me this, my father has told me this. Guru and father are equated with the ninth house: Sūrya, the elder, the one who you call elder, who you consider elder. This has to do with Sūrya. When Sūrya is conjoined or aspected by Jupiter, or Sūrya aspects Jupiter, then, such a person will surely have very high values pertaining to his Guru. See the horoscope of Śrīla Prabhupāda. In the horoscope of Prabhupāda, you have Jupiter and Sūrya conjoined in the 9th house, in Leo, Siṃha Rāśi. He suddenly woke up to the fact that I have renounced, I have returned the translation of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Now, I have to take this and go to the West. Why do I have to go to America? I don’t know. My Guru told me that you have to go to America, that’s how. Why? You are going to die, you are already 69, people in India die by the age of 69 and 70. By then, most of them are dead, buried and gone, because average life expectancy is 54 in India. So, was he stupid to take such a long journey? And, he did not even have money to take a flight. He took a steamer. When did he take the steamer? In 1970. Right? It was early 70s or 60s or late 60s. They had flights then. Did they not have flights to go to America? But he did not have the money to take the flight. He took a ship from India, Bombay to America, New York. Why did he do that? Because his Guru told him, “you have to take this journey”. That’s all. “Even if I die, at least, I’ll die trying. I’ll die trying for what the master told me to do”. That is important to him. It is not important whether I am dying, or alive or what. It is more important that what I am told to do, I’ll do. That is Sūrya and Jupiter. Okay? So, like this, you have to understand all the value systems with Jupiter.
When Rāhu is with Jupiter what happens? The value system collapses. The person will make a new rule every time he wants to do something, he will justify anything he wants. That is called Guru-Cāṇḍāla. What is the meaning of Guru-Cāṇḍāla? Guru-Cāṇḍāla means there is no value system. I can even murder somebody, justifying that murder. That is called Rāvaṇa. What is Rāvaṇa? Justifying whatever you are doing. You kidnap somebody and you justify that as right. You murder somebody and justify that as right. You can justify anything. By logic, you can justify anything. Cat is having four legs and dog is having four legs, so cat and dog are the same. Think what will happen to your Viveka. What has happened to the Lagna? Lagna is finished. So, your value system is very crucial. Jupiter is very very crucial in a horoscope. That is the reason why in our prayers, in our daily practice, in our Jyotiṣa Sādhanā: the first Mantra is always “Om Gurave Namaḥ”. That is the first Mantra. Not even Gaṇeśa. People say that Gaṇeśa is the beginning. How did you know about Gaṇeśa? Who told about Gaṇeśa? Guru only told you. If you don’t have Guru, you will not be able to go to Gaṇeśa also. First: Guru. Then: Gaṇeśa. Among the Devatās, Gaṇeśa is first. But before the Devatās, there is a Guru. So, don’t forget the Guru. Do: Om Gurave Namaḥ. Am I clear? Those who do Om Gurave Namaḥ, they will automatically find their path. Automatically, their Viveka will be protected. Learn to worship your Gurus. So, now we have completed Jupiter. Then? Ketu Mokṣa Kāraka.
Ketu indicates those things by which we identify ourselves with the spiritual God. Ketu helps us to identify those symbols, those objects, those people; who will guide us in the spiritual path. Look at the planets conjoining or aspecting Ketu in the Rāśi and Navāṃśa, these are the people who will help you in your spiritual path. That is your Viveka; your Viveka will go in that direction, your Lagna will go in that direction. Okay? So, ultimately, everything boils down to one thing: the Lagna. Lagna alone, will decide the right or left, which way you are going. The vehicle is turning or is it going straight, which path is it taking? Which direction is it taking, the path of the vehicle! Having the vehicle is Chandra, the fuel in the vehicle is Sūrya, the money, the wealth, vehicles; that is all Sūrya i.e., the resource level. It’s Sūrya. Chandra is the “type” of vehicle, the body that you have got. And, Lagna is the direction that you will get. So, now, keeping this in mind, my first question to everybody today: Is the lord of Lagna a benefic all the time?
Student replies: (inaudible, unclear)
Gurujī: Speak loudly.
Student: (still inaudible)
Gurujī: If the lord of Lagna is an Asura, how can it be benefic. Fundamental point! Good, very good point. Based upon this concept: if the Lagna lord is an Asura, it is not adding up to your Viveka. Now you see how you are studying the horoscope? People study the horoscope: “my lord of Lagna is a benefic, my lord of Lagna is a malefic” : totally absurd. What is a benefic or a malefic? Their translations are absurd. You have to define very clearly, what you are looking for. When you are talking of Lagna, you are talking of Viveka. Viveka means? Is it in the direction of the Suras or is it in the direction of the Asuras? If it is in the direction of the Asuras, then, in which house is the lord of Lagna, good. If it is in the direction of the Suras, then in which houses is the lord of Lagna good. They are different matters altogether. Am I clear on this? For example, if the Lagna lord is in the second house, is it good or bad? It is supposed to be good, generally. You pick up any astrological text: Lagna lord in the second house is very good. Right? All good things have been told about Lagna lord in the second house. Right. Now I have got two horoscopes.
Please see the horoscope of Śrī Jayendra Sarasvatī Mahā. Have you all copied the horoscope? Those of you who have not copied the horoscope, please copy the horoscope first, before I proceed further. Okay. The horoscope is like this:
Makara Lagna… tell the date and time.
Gurvī Sarbani Rath: 18 July 1935 7pm 79E26, 10N42.
Gurujī: Okay. I have to say it for the recording. 79E26, and, 10N42. Lagna is Makara, Lagna lord Saturn is in the 2nd house, retrograde with Moon.
Gurvī Jī: Next is, Mercury and Ketu in 6th house in Gemini.
Gurujī: Mercury is in its own house, is it Mūlatrikoṇa?
Student: No.
Gurujī: Which is the Mūlatrikoṇa of Mercury?
Student: Virgo.
Gurujī: Okay. And, Ketu is there; debilitated in the 6th house. Okay. Then?
Gurvī Jī: Sūrya is in 7th house, in Cancer. Venus in 8th house.
Gurujī: Śukra-aṣṭama; which is found in the horoscopes of Sādhus or Sannyāsīs.
Gurvī Jī: Jupiter is in Libra in the 10th house.
Gurujī: Bṛhaspati is with Maṅgala.
Gurvī Jī: And, Rāhu is nīca in Dhanu.
Gurujī: Dhanu has nīca Rāhu. Okay. Tell the Navāṃśa.
Gurvī Jī: Mīna Lagna.
Gurujī: Mīna Lagna. Then?
Gurvī Jī: Vakrī Saturn in Lagna.
Gurujī: Vakrī Saturn in Lagna. Jupiter in the second house. That is all. Jupiter is Ātmakāraka. That is all that you need. You don’t need anything else. Jupiter is Ātmakāraka. Jupiter is in second house. Lagna lord is in second house. And, Vakrī Śani, the Lagna lord of the Rāśi chart, is in Navāṃśa Lagna, and is in 12th house from Ātmakāraka. So, Iṣṭa Devatā is also indicated by Saturn. Clear? Right. How is Saturn in this horoscope? Now, please tell me something about Saturn.
Gurvī Jī: Saturn is in its own sign.
Gurujī: Saturn is in its own sign? It’s Mūlatrikoṇa.
Gurvī Jī: And, in the Navāṃśa, it is in the sign of Jupiter, which is also supposed to be good.
Gurujī: Right. Now, this question is debatable. Varāhamihira says that Saturn in the signs of Jupiter, that is, Saturn in Mīna Rāśi, or in Dhanu Rāśi, is very good. And in other Rāśis, Śani is very bad. Varāhamihira says that. I OBJECT TO VARĀHAMIHIRA. I SINCERELY AM RECORDING MY OBJECTION TO THE TEACHING OF VARĀHAMIHIRA, am saying that, HE IS WRONG AND PARĀŚARA IS RIGHT. Please make a note of this. I am going on record. Okay?
Gurvī Jī: According to Varāhamihira, it is very good. This is the only sign which is supposed to be treated as good. And, also when it is exalted.
Gurujī: Yes, Varāhamihira is Sūrya-worshipper. According to him, Śani is bad everywhere, everything this and that…. But in the signs of Jupiter, Śani is supposed to be good and also when exalted, it is good. This is what Varāhamihira says.
But I object it, I object to the statement. I follow Parāśara: that, a Graha is good in its own Rāśi, in its Mūlatrikoṇa, and in exaltation and in friendly houses. Jupiter and Śani are not friends. There are no reasons why Śani should be good in the houses of Jupiter. I stick to Parāśara. I object to Varāhamihira. I am going on record. You will see, why. You will see that. I have brought up the horoscope to show that Varāhamihira is wrong and Parāśara is right. I am doing at a different level also. I am taking you people to a different level, so that you people don’t blindly follow anybody. If you want to blindly follow somebody, only follow Parāśara. Don’t follow anybody else blindly. Only this Ṛṣi is perfect, nobody else is perfect. The reason is very simple. Saturn is so bad in this horoscope, so bad, that all this murder scandal and all these scandals started as soon as Saturn started. And, so long, Bṛhaspati Daśā and Śani Antardaśā. In Jupiter Daśā, Saturn Antardaśā, all these scandals and all these things started. What Daśā is he running right now? Or, is it Śani-Bṛhaspati, or, is it Bṛhaspati-Śani? What is it?
Gurvī Jī: He is having Mercury-Saturn.
Gurujī: Hmm ok.. one of the Saturn-periods is running. He is running a Saturn-period. It is Saturn that has caused this. Śani is responsible for his terrible defamation. You know? He was a Tridaṇḍa Bhikṣu. Tridaṇḍa Bhikṣu means…. and he was a Puri, Puri means, a Tīrtha.. was a Tīrtha in himself. The title Puri is given to the highest of Sannyāsīs. That means to visit a Śiva temple, and to visit Jayendra Sarasvatī Mā, is the same. To have a Darśana of a Jyotirliṅga and to have Darśana of Jayendra Sarasvatī Mā is the same. That is the title, Puri. You know how high it is? Can you imagine how high that position is, spiritually? And, that position person is being accused of murder? That position person.. you know that stick that they carry.. the Daṇḍa? He left the Daṇḍa? Can you imagine what that means to leave a Daṇḍa? It is terrible. From the spiritual point of view, it is the most heinous and terrible thing. Anyway, they say… So, why is Saturn so bad in this horoscope? Saturn is terrible, I am telling you straight away. Naturally, everyday you people have been following the newspapers. You know how badly this entire incident has happened. He cannot even go to the Kanchi Matha of which he is the head. Somebody else has been nominated. There is a farce going on over there. He is hiding somewhere else. Court cases are going on all over the place. Total havoc. Total and complete havoc. Why? Why did Saturn do this? So, you see your concept: “Lagna lord in second is good”. Smashed? See Lagna lord is in the second house in Mīna Navāṃśa. Saturn is the Lagna lord, in the second house in Mūlatrikoṇa, in Mīna Navāṃśa, is extremely bad. Why?
Student: In Navāṃśa, it is in the Maraṇa Kāraka Sthāna.
Gurujī: Leave the Maraṇa Kāraka Sthāna. Because the next chart we will go to, will also have a similar problem. Okay. First, based upon the principle of Viveka. Śani is an Asura or Sura?
Student: Asura.
Gurujī: He is an Asura. Second house: who is the Kāraka of the second house?
Student: Jupiter.
Gurujī: Jupiter. So, can you tell me which are the Sura houses and which are the Asura houses in a horoscope? Take the Kārakas. From the Kārakas, you will find out. Lagna is? Who is the Kāraka of Lagna?
Student: Sun.
Gurujī: Sun. So, Lagna is a Sura? So, make a group. Make a group of two: Sura and Asura houses. Sura houses are those, whose Kārakas are Sura. Asura houses are those, whose Kārakas are Asura. Simple, right?
So, Lagna, Sūrya is the Kāraka.
Second house: Jupiter is Kāraka.
Third house: Maṅgala is Kāraka.
Fourth house: Chandra is Kāraka.
Fifth house: Jupiter is Kāraka.
Sixth house: Saturn is Kāraka.
So, first to fifth, all the houses are Sura houses. Sixth house is Asura house.
Seventh house: Venus: Asura.
Eighth house: Saturn: Asura.
Ninth house: Jupiter: Sura.
So, sixth, seventh and eighth are Asura. Six, seven, eight: Asura. Please keep in mind. Next:
Ninth house is Sura.
Tenth house: Budha: Asura.
Eleventh house is Sura: Guru.
Twelfth house is Asura: Śani.
So, you see a pattern. First to fifth houses are Suras. Sixth to eighth houses are Asura. Then, Sura and Asura are alternating: Sura, Asura, Sura, Asura. Okay? Clear? So, Saturn as the Lagna lord, has gone to second house. Is that a good placement for Saturn? No, it is not a good placement. It is in a Navāṃśa of Pisces, Mīna Rāśi. That is also not good. Śani in Mīna is extremely bad. Okay? So, what is the net result of this person? Mīna shows freedom. Mīna Navāṃśa indicates freedom, how much of freedom you will enjoy. So, the freedom is curtailed. The person will suffer from severe effects of… so, when we talk of Saturn, who is his Sura balance? Who defeats Saturn? Mars. Mars will defeat Saturn. So, during the Śani Antardaśās, or periods of Śani, this person will be running around like a defeated man.
Gurvī Jī: (unclear)
Gurujī: He is sitting in the house, second house, which is the house of Sura. Being an Asura, he has no business of sitting in the house of a Sura. Śani as Lagna lord, is very good in the 12th house. You see any horoscope where the Lagna lord is Śani and placed in the 12th house, it is superb. An Asura planet should be in an Asura house. A Sura planet should be in a Sura house, to give proper Viveka, as far as Viveka is concerned.
Student: Is it not like if bad planet goes in good place it becomes good?
Gurujī: Asura goes into Sura house, will it become Sura? No. So, he will damage that part of your Sura-thinking. You should have Sura planets in the second house. If Asura goes there, and being a Lagneśa. Lagneśa here means that you are responsible, nobody else is to blame. Nobody else asked you to do that thing, you yourself did it. Okay? You yourself have done something wrong. Nobody else can be blamed for it, it is Lagna lord. Lagna lord means: your Buddhi. My Lagna lord means my Buddhi. Nobody else can be blamed for it. You cannot blame anybody else. He has done something for which Saturn must punish him.
Gurvī Jī: Will it happen if Saturn was in any of the Sura houses?
Gurujī: The kind of evil will depend upon the particular house. For example, Saturn in the first house or the second house, is considered extremely bad.
Gurvī Jī: Because this second house is causing Aśubha Yoga on the Lagna.
Gurujī: Or Śubha Yoga on the Lagna, also. Further he is lord of Lagna. So, this bad thing will come to Lagna as what? As sorrow. Very much sorrow. So much sorrow.
Student: It is retrograde.
Gurujī: Retrograde means that Śani will not forgive him, and will keep beating him. All your prayers will be useless, all your Mantras and Pūjās will become waste. He will not listen to even a single bit. Look at it, he is such a big Sādhu. All the remedy… he must have done remedial measures? Nothing worked. Is anything working? You see, is anything working? No. He does something…. Now, he went to his own village, or some village. There, they were immediately talking about arresting him because they are accusing him of stealing some…. leave it…. too much, it’s too much. Wherever he goes, there is a case against him. He cannot enter a temple. Do you know that? He enters a temple, it starts.
Gurvī Jī: So, in both the Rāśi and the Navāṃśa, Saturn is damaging the Lagna very strongly. Is that the reason why?
Gurujī: No, no, forget Navāṃśa Lagna.
Gurvī Jī: (first sentence of some student is inaudible). You can see that in Navāṃśa, it is in Lagna, and in Rāśi, the Lagna lord in second house, which is having Aśubha Yoga on the Lagna. It is Asura planet.
Gurujī: It is Lagna lord, why should Lagna lord be bad for Lagna? (scribe’s notes: here, Gurujī is negating Gurvī Jī’s statement of Śani having Aśubha Yoga on the Lagna, and Gurujī is saying that Śani is the Lagna lord and Lagneśa cannot make Aśubha Yoga on the Lagna. So, this statement or logic of this Aśubha Yoga is absurd). Lagna lord is not bad for Lagna. Is it a health fault? His health is fine. But his Viveka has got damaged. This is what I am trying to say.
Student: Moon is also afflicted.
Gurujī: Leave the affliction of Moon aside. He will feel pain, that’s different issue. I am differentiating two different things. I am looking at Viveka and I am looking at health. Lagna, we also see for health. His health is fine. There is no problem in his health. Have you heard anything about his health? No. It is alright. Śani is not damaging his Lagna, but is damaging his Viveka.
Gurvī Jī: I am looking at Pāka Lagna, so is Saturn’s placement in second house causing all this?
Gurujī: Yes.
Student: His Viveka regarding the mind matters and the second house things, they are being spoiled.
Gurujī: Correct. (they are being spoiled) completely. All the second house, completely destroyed.
Gurvī Jī (Sarbani Rath): Why is this being in second house so bad? Why in second house, why second house…why is it so bad?
Gurujī: Because Saturn indicates the food that you are eating. Second house is your sustenance in this world. It is your Viṣṇu Bhāva. So, when Lagna lord goes into the second house, it indicates good Viṣṇu Bhāva; unless it is a terrible malefic like Saturn. The entire Viṣṇu Bhāva goes. Because it is going completely, that is why it will get hit. If sustenance in this world becomes miserable… not only that; not only that, it’s not about “any malefic”. It must be an Asura to do such a thing. And that too which kind of an Asura? Asura that is ruining the second house. You see the relationship with the Kāraka. Alright? You see what happened. You see second house is your family, your Kuṭumba. For Jayendra Sarasvatī Mā, who is this family? The entire Kāñcī Maṭha? He is the head of the family that is the Kāñcī Maṭha? What happened to that family? Shattered and destroyed. Has it happened or not? It has happened, right? It happened in Saturn’s period. Clear? Right.
Shall we see one more horoscope? Open the horoscope of Salman Khan. Have you read in the papers recently that he has got one-year jail-term?
Gurvī Jī: 27 December 1965,
Gurujī: 27 Dec 1955.
Gurvī Jī: And time is: 9:14:50am.
Gurujī: 9:15am approximately.
Gurvī Jī: 72E50,
Gurujī: 72E50.
Gurvī Jī: (inaudible)
Student: 18N58
Gurujī: Bombay. Okay. Makara Lagna. Same. Makara Lagna. Saturn is in second house, and in Navāṃśa, Saturn is in Pisces. Same story. See?
Gurvī Jī: Both of them went to jail for two-three days. Police has been after their blood for past few years. Police is hunting for things to catch them. But the reasons are totally different. One is accused of murder of a human being and the other is accused of murder of an animal. Both are accusations of murder. Both are accusations of murder. One is accusation of murder of human being, other is accusation of murder of animal. From where, will you see this accusation? Accusation means Lagna, right? Name, fame, reputation you’ll see from Lagna. See the Navāṃśa Lagna in the case of Jayendra Sarasvatī Mā, and see the Navāṃśa Lagna in the case of Salman Khan.
Gurvī Jī: What is Salman Khan’s Navāṃśa Lagna?
Students: Meṣa.
Gurujī: Hey it is 9:07 here, make it 9:15. How can he be Mīna Lagna? Mīna Lagna in Navāṃśa is absurd for him. Just look at him. You see him, he is completely Meṣa Navāṃśa Lagna. He is accused of the killing of which animal?
Gurvī Jī: Black Buck.
Gurujī: Deer?
Gurvī Jī: Black Buck.
Gurujī: What is the difference between Black Buck and a Deer?
Gurvī: The species.
Gurujī: Goat family?
Gurvī Jī: No. Deer family.
Gurujī: Deer and Goat family… so from which Rāśi will you see Deer?
Gurujī: Does Makara Rāśi have Deer?
Student: (mixed murmuring)
Gurujī: There were two separate incidents. Right? Lagna lord Mars is with Saturn and Rāhu. One was the Deer and one was the Black Buck. Maṅgala is: “Killing”. Killing of? Maṅgala is killing of an animal. Hunter. Maṅgala is a hunter. So, one is Black Buck and one is Deer. In the Black Buck, he got the jail-term, is it? Yeah. Black Buck is Saturn.
Student: (inaudible)
Gurujī: Navāṃśa Lagna will show “that”, killing of which destroyed your Lagna. In the case of Jayendra Sarasvatī Mā, what was Navāṃśa Lagna? Jupiter. Jupiter is Manuṣya, high intelligence, high intelligence animal. Who is high intelligence animal? Human being. He is accused of murdering a human being. See? Mīna Navāṃśa Lagna?
Gurvī Jī: (unclear)
Gurujī: All that I am not seeing. I don’t want to pass any judgement. All I am seeing is Lagna lord in second house, Saturn, in Pisces Navāṃśa. That means, Saturn indicates Duṣkarma. When you will do the Duṣkarma, you will be punished. So, long as you don’t do the Duṣkarma, you will not be punished.
Student: Duṣkarma means?
Gurujī: Bad Karma. Duṣ means bad. Bad Karma. And in Pisces, it specifically refers to life, killing. You have no right to take a life. When there is some Duṣkarma, or whatever will happen, it will come. So, you can see how it came in both of them. So, simply because Lagna lord is in second house, you should not take it for granted that it is good. In which houses, is Lagna lord good? Kendra. One, Four, Seven and Ten or Trikoṇa, is considered good. Duḥsthānas is considered not good. But the houses, second houses and eighth houses, are neutral houses. You have to be very careful. Which planet is involved. If Lagna lord is a Sura, his placement in the second house is good. If Lagna lord is Asura, his placement in the eighth house is good. There are many people I know who have Mithuna Lagna, with Mercury in the eighth house: it is very good. It is very good. It is not bad. But, if you have Mīna Lagna with Jupiter in the eighth house, or Dhanu Lagna and Jupiter in the eighth house, it is not considered good. Okay?
Student: Even though it is exalted?
Gurujī: Yes, even though it is exalted, it is bad. Even if you have Meṣa Lagna, with Maṅgala in the eighth house, it is not good.
Student: And in the second house?
Gurujī: In the second house, it’s good. Meṣa Lagna with Maṅgala in the second house, is good. See the point? Karkaṭa Lagna with Moon in the second house, is good. But, the other thing is not good. (it means Karkaṭa Lagna, with Moon in eighth house is not good).
Gurvī Jī: I’m missing the point.
Gurujī: The point is, Kendra, Trikoṇa, Duḥsthāna, and neutral houses. The second house and the eighth house are considered very neutral. They are very neutral kind of houses. Second especially, it is a very neutral house. If it is a Sura, (Lagna lord is Sura), its placement in the second, is welcome; Asuras (Lagna lord being Asura) are not welcome in second house. Viṣṇu does not like Asuras, be clear on that issue. Second house is Viṣṇu Bhāva, Viṣṇu Bhagavān does not like Asuras. You have to be clear on that.
From longevity, which house is most important?
Student: Eighth house.
Gurujī: Is it a good house or a bad house?
(no answer from students)
Gurujī: You are stuck, right? Matter is stuck. Eighth house is bad house, but it gives you longevity. So, you don’t know what to do. If you don’t want longevity, why are you living, commit suicide right now? See my point? It is a neutral house. What is a neutral house? A neutral house is a house in which there is some bad, but you cannot leave that house. Or there is a lot of good, but you don’t want that house. You understand? It is very bad, but you can’t let that go. Like, a bottle of alcohol. It is very bad. But you can’t leave it. Addicted, that is the eighth house.
Gurvī Jī: What about second house?
Gurujī: Second? It is very good, but you don’t like it. Because it gives too much responsibility. Who wants to take the social responsibilities. Who wants to take the responsibility of family? We want to be free. We don’t want to take responsibilities. Second house means, all the responsibilities of the world will be on your head. You will be very responsible. When Lagna lord is in second house, the person may be required to take a lot of responsibility. But, how he will take up the responsibility, will depend upon the nature of the Lagna lord. When the Lagna lord is a malefic Asura, you will be quite irresponsible. You will prove to be irresponsible. Mars is a Sura. When Mars is in second house (when Mars is Lagna lord in second house), the person will fight and get what he wants. He will fight for his family. He will fight for his community.
Gurvī Jī: But in the eighth house, it’s not good?
Gurujī: Mars in the eighth house, (Mars as Lagna lord sitting in eighth house) is not good.
Gurvī Jī: And, that’s true for any chart having this?
Gurujī: But Saturn in eighth house is very good. Some people say, in Sonia Gandhi’s chart, she has got Makara Lagna, with Saturn in the eighth house. (i.e., Saturn is Lagna lord, and Lagna lord who is an Asura, is in an Asura Bhāva; hence is excellent). You see that? Anyway.
Did you get the second house and the eighth house? Think more in this way, to get the principle more clearly. So, now we will start a small exercise of understanding our Lagna lords. Starting with me:
I will say about myself. Then, each one of you has to say about your Lagna lord. My Lagna is Mīna / Pisces with Jupiter in it. Is it good or bad?
Student: It is good.
Gurujī: No, it is unbalanced. Anything that is unbalanced, is not good. Only Chandra is good. (i.e., only Chandra in Lagna is good). Good, is only Chandra. Only Chandra is perfectly balanced. Viveka has to be socially responsible Viveka. Bṛhaspati is very good for me but what about the world. It is good for me but what about Saṃsāra. That is why, Chandra is perfect balance. Bṛhaspati means I am biased. I am biased to the Suras. I am biased against the Asuras. Some people may say this is very good. But in reality, good and bad, are both bad. It’s like Sat and Asat. Right? One must always strike that balance. So, from the point of view of Viveka, Jupiter does not guarantee that I will have any social success. It may give me supreme intelligence, it may give me a great amount of the knowledge of the Suras, he may give me a value system, a strong value system. But, he does not guarantee me social success. Am I being understood?
Student: Righteous nature.
Gurujī: See, when we say righteous nature, righteousness is “right”, again: “right”; because there is something that we are calling “wrong”. There is neither right nor wrong in perfect Viveka. You were there when we were discussing about this issue. There is neither Sat nor Asat. So, what should we go after? Do you understand the difference? It’s very fundamental. I should not run after this, nor after that. I should not be judgmental. People with Jupiter in Lagna, can become very judgmental. Do you find it right or not? You find any Jupiter in Lagna, you look at Lagna of Śrī Rāma. Sugrīva and Bālī were fighting. Śrī Rāma went and shot Bālī without giving an opportunity to even tell…. there was no discussion, there was no judgment, nothing. Bālī and Sugrīva were fighting, he hid behind the tree and he shot him. Jupiter in Lagna. “You stole his wife, this is wrong. You will be punished. Here is the arrow, die”. Righteous minded. Now, tell me, what did he get from it? But, because he was Rāma, Chandra was there, there was compassion. He was able to justify it and there was something else. And, before Bālī died, he explained to him, why. But if Chandra was not in Lagna, he couldn’t have done that. And, he would have been misunderstood.
Student: And Sun being there?
Gurujī: Sūrya in Lagna?
Student: It is the Kāraka of Lagna.
Gurujī: Sūrya in Lagna is not bad.
Student: No. no. Suppose, Sun was there instead of Jupiter.
Gurujī: But, that is also biased to the right. Have you seen people with Sūrya in Lagna will have a strong bias against non-conformist people. They are hard core conformist people. You hear the word? Do you understand the meaning of the word, conformist? Make a note of the word, conformist. When Sūrya is in Lagna, the Viveka is that of a conformist. Conformist means that he will follow government. For example, if I am teaching Jyotiṣa and I am wearing jeans, he will say, “you are teaching Jyotiṣa, you should wear Dhoti, and sit down and teach. Otherwise, don’t teach Jyotiṣa. You see my point? They are conforming. If everybody who is teaching Jyotiṣa, is wearing Dhoti, then Sanjay must also wear Dhoti and teach Jyotiṣa. That is conformist, Sūrya in Lagna. “There is a rule, everybody has to follow the rule. Anybody who breaks the rule, is a non-conformist, and must be punished. He has to be punished. Punish him first”. I will give you a simple example, my elder brother has got Sūrya in Lagna, very strong Sūrya, almost exactly conjunct his Lagna. He and I often have what we call this Democrat vs Republican debate, on crime and punishment in America. According to him, in the world, the laws in the world are very weak laws. People who rape women: his argument is simple, “if a woman has got raped, that woman is being called to the court and she is being humiliated in front of everybody. And, 90% of the time, the fellow who has raped her, has laughed in front of her and goes away free, threatening her life”. “Instead of hanging rapist, the rapist must be given the electric chair. Give them electric chair”. Even I argued that electric chair should not be till death. No, no, they should be given electric chair so that their brain changes. He believes in the electric chair very strongly. He says: “they must be given electric chair. If you give them the electric-chair punishment, people will stop raping. Because they know that if you get caught, you will die. There is no other way out. The moment people know that, the crime will come to an end”. See Sūrya in Lagna: how Sūrya thinks. Do you see his Viveka? His Viveka is different from my Viveka. I will tell: “No, that is wrong”. You cannot take a life like that. That is not justice. Somebody rapes somebody, so you will hang this fellow? Mṛtyu or death is something totally different. You cannot kill somebody. So, you see? Even Sun and Jupiter are having difference of opinion. The Viveka of Jupiter and Viveka of Sūrya, are totally different. So, when a planet is in Lagna, he will completely alter the Viveka of the person.
The Viveka will be based upon the nature of the planet in Lagna. It need not be negative. Do not always think that it is negative. I have seen people with strong Saturn in Lagna, being very hard-working people. Why does this happen? Because the Viveka has very positive thoughts about labor and equality of labor. You see what I am trying to say. So, when you have multiple planets in the Lagna, it means the Viveka of all those Grahas is within you. The larger number of planets in the Lagna, or aspecting the Lagna will give a higher Viveka to you. One exalted planet in Lagna is the greatest blessing.
Gurvī Jī: Do we take only Rāśi Dṛṣṭi?
Gurujī: No, Graha Dṛṣṭi.
Gurvī Jī: So, Rāśi Dṛṣṭi as well as Graha Dṛṣṭi.
Gurujī: Graha Dṛṣṭi is equally important because Viveka comes from Icchā.
Gurvī Jī: So, if Lagna has Sura planets, it has Sura powers. It is balanced. But then you….
Gurujī: Not balanced. It is Sura, look at my Lagna. Jupiter is in Lagna, Maṅgala is aspecting Lagna: superb. Both are superb as far as Sura is concerned. But Rāhu is also having Rāśi Dṛṣṭi on Lagna. Correct? Ketu is also having Rāśi Dṛṣṭi on Lagna. And, these two are having Rāśi Dṛṣṭi. So, they will compel me or force me to change my Viveka, but that will not be my original Viveka. The difference between Rāśi Dṛṣṭi and Graha Dṛṣṭi, is that Graha Dṛṣṭi is my own Viveka. Rāśi Dṛṣṭi means that somebody else’s Viveka being forced upon me by circumstances and situation. Do you get it? It is not my Buddhi. Somebody else’s Buddhi is being put upon me. Rāśi Dṛṣṭi means somebody else’s Buddhi and somebody else’s Viveka is being forced upon me. I am forced.
Gurvī Jī: What about Saturn?
Gurujī: That is my Buddhi. That is a Graha Dṛṣṭi.
Gurvī Jī: That is an Asura.
Gurujī: Yes, that is an Asura. But that is 3rd-house aspect of Śani. Śani is aspecting. When Saturn aspects Jupiter, what does it indicate? What did I tell you? What will be my value.
Student: (inaudible)
Gurujī: What are you saying….
Student: Tradition.
Gurujī: No. What did I teach you, go back on your notes.
Student: Value of labor,
Gurujī: Value of labor will be very high. Very high value on labor. Very high value on labor. Very hard-working. I work and I slog it out.
For me, work is worship. If a person does not work, I don’t respect the person. I don’t respect him at all. Hard work is God for me. So, Saturn is aspecting Lagna. So, work is worship for me. Jupiter is aspecting Sūrya in my chart. What will you say? This person is very blind when it comes to his Guru. He can be very blind when it comes to his father. My value will either be defined by my father or my Guru. Strong value system based upon my father or my Guru. Very strong value system. Very strong spiritual value system. Either one of them will influence the spiritual. Either it will be the father or it will be the Guru. Either one will cement the spiritual value system. It is bound to be there.
Jupiter aspects Venus. What is that? I will like luxuries, my value system will have the weakness of liking luxuries, weakness or strength or whatever. Luxuries are a part of my value system. I like to be comfortable. Comfort is necessary for me. That is a part of my value system. So, what will happen. What does that mean? That means I can be weak. It is a weakness. People who run after comforts, are weak people. I am a weak person. I run after comforts. I need sofa to sit down. Why am I not sitting on the floor? It’s a weakness. You see my point? So, these are the individual strengths and weaknesses based on the trines to Jupiter, in my value system. But let us talk about my Viveka.
Gurvī Jī: Sun is also there in trines.
Gurujī: But that is the values, not my Viveka. What is my Viveka. My Viveka is Jupiter, aspected by Saturn, and aspected by Mars. That is my Viveka. What does the aspect of Saturn guarantee in my Viveka? Sorrow? Sorrow is definite. I will surely take certain decisions in my life for which I have to see sorrow. I have to see sorrow. There is no escape. Mars is aspecting my Lagna. I have to see, war. And, I have to see fighting. I cannot escape it. Because he is aspecting my Lagna. They are altering my Viveka. Is that a good aspect or bad aspect? Both are bad. Clear?
Verma Jī: What if a Graha is in 11th house, and he will have Argalā on Lagna?
Gurujī: Argalā cannot change Viveka.
Student: (not clear)
Gurujī: No. Argalā is totally different from this. It is totally different concept altogether. It has nothing to do with Viveka. Suppose, Mars is there. No aspect. If there is no aspect on Lagna, how can it change Viveka. Only Śani when in 11th, can change Viveka. Am I being understood?
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Student: Why is Mars-aspect bad, being a Sura, why it is bad?
Gurujī: Success and failure are very important for me. I feel good when I win. I feel sorrow when I don’t win. Both are very bad. Neither become happy in victory, nor become sad in losing.
Student: But that is Sura.
Gurujī: What does Sura mean? Feeling happy. Ultimately Sura is that which enhances life. Asura diminishes life.
Verma Jī: But that Mars will also give you logic.
Gurujī: Yes, I have got fantastic logic. But what is the value of that logic if I am going to become happy after winning a battle? That is not good. What is the difference, between Mars aspecting Lagna, and Mars aspecting Jupiter in Lagna. Now, think and tell me.
Gurvī Jī: One is Pāka Lagna and other is not.
Gurujī: No, nothing like that. Tell me the difference. What is the primary difference between Mars aspecting Lagna and Mars aspecting Jupiter in Lagna? What is the difference between the two? How does it modify the Viveka? Mars aspecting Lagna means what? The person is? He is fighting for victory. Fighting spirit is very strong. Now, when the fighting spirit is very strong, does he fight indiscriminately or is he having a value system or what? When Guru is in Lagna, and that Mars is aspecting, even though he fights, he will have wisdom/(Jupiter) to stop when necessary. There is a stark difference.
Student: Śrī Rāma.
Gurujī: Śrī Rāma. Are you able to see the big difference between the two? The question is, when three or more planets are influencing the Lagna, step 1: find out who is the strongest. The planet in Lagna, is the strongest. If there are two or more planets in Lagna, then which is the strongest by exaltation and such things is the strongest planet. Okay? Let’s do some cases then we will understand. Verma Jī start.
Verma Jī: Lagna has Mars and Rāhu.
Gurujī: Vṛṣabha Lagna with Mars and Rāhu in Lagna. Lagna lord Venus is in second house or first house? It’s in second house with second lord.
Verma Jī: Jupiter is in 6th house.
Gurujī: And, Jupiter is in?
Verma Jī: 6th house.
Gurujī: 6th house. Now, tell me, are Mars and Rāhu good in Lagna or bad in Lagna? Mars is good in Lagna from fighting point of view. He has got good fighting spirit. Super fighting spirit! That is there!
Student: So, first thing we have to see that if the Lagna is Sura or Asura. Lagna is Asura. Second Bhāva is Hari Bhāva. Venus being in second house is not good.
Gurujī: That means trouble for family. Keep telling… good ..good. You will be under pressure from family.
Student: Mars is in Lagna, so he might also be considered….negative aspects of Mars.
Gurujī: What is negative aspect?
Gurvī Jī: Sura planet in Asura house, if we are taking that principle. But that principle: we did not take it for your chart.
Gurujī: How? I took Lagna lord. The Lagna lord, is Sura planet in a Sura house. So, there is no problem there.
Student: Maṅgala is Sura planet in Asura house.
Gurujī: How?
Student: Vṛṣabha is Asura.
Verma Jī: You have to take Kāraka for it.
Gurujī: It is the reverse, what you are saying, it is the reverse of that.
Student: It is Sura planet in Sura house, so…
Gurujī: It is Asura planet in Sura house.
Student: No. Mars will…
Gurujī: No. From where did Mars come? Venus is Asura planet (in Sura house).
Student: I am talking about Mars. Mars is in the first house, it is a Sura house. Mars is in Sura house.
Gurujī: So, Sura planet in Sura house? No. No. No. No. That rule is from a Viveka point of view. You have to take the Lagna lord. Lagna lord is the most important planet here. Lagna lord is in second house. It is … Lagna lord is Venus for Taurus Lagna. Is Venus Sura or Asura? It is Asura. It is sitting in which house? Second house. Second house is Sura. So, Asura has gone to a Sura house. When an Asura goes to Sura house, what happens? He gets beaten up. Definitely. Whenever Asura has tried to enter into Indra Loka, they get beaten up. Even if it is Śukrācārya himself, he will get humiliated there. So, when Lagna lord went to second house, second house is house of family. This person will get involved in family matters. He will always take interest into family matters. He will always think in terms of groups. He will always think that this is my group. This is my this thing. He will try for the headship of the group. He will try. He will try to become head of group. It will all depend upon … which planet? Whether he will be head or not? On second lord. Why second lord? Because he is the lord of Pāka Lagna.
Gurvī Jī: Pākeśa.
Gurujī: Yes, Pākeśa. If Lagna lord has gone to second house, second lord will decide how high you will go.
Student: So, that is also Asura.
Gurujī: Yes, Mercury is. But Mercury is second lord in second house. So, he will go very high. He became president of the neurological medical doctor group; he became the head. He became the physician of the president. All kinds of oppositions he had. Even today he is the number one in this entire area. He is number one in whole Asia, neurosurgery and brain surgery. Number one brain surgeon in India. Who made him number one? How did he become number one? Because Lagna lord in second house and second lord is strong. You see the point? The second lord will decide how high you will go. Not Lagna lord.
See the chart of Jayendra Sarasvatī Mā. See the chart of Jayendra Sarasvatī Mā. Lagna lord Saturn is in second house. Who is the second lord?
Students: Saturn.
Gurujī: Where is he sitting? Mūlatrikoṇa. High position. Very high position. Did it give it or not? Salman Khan: Lagna lord Śani in second house, Śani (2nd lord) in own house. Mūlatrikoṇa: high position. See. See, it will work consistently. I am not seeing Lagna lord. I am seeing second lord. When Lagna lord is in second, I am seeing second lord. So, who is important? Lagna lord is important or second lord is important? 2nd lord is important. Whose gemstone will you recommend? Lagna lord or second lord?
Student: 2nd lord gemstone.
Gurujī: 2nd lord gemstone. Thank you sir. I wanted to hear that. When I hear the right things, I feel happy. Because you must understand the principle. If you understand the principle, I am happy.
Student: 1st to 5th house is Sura houses. So, where will we use this discrimination in terms of Sura/Asura? Can we say, if Maṅgala is a Sura Graha and Lagna is a Sura house, if we go by Sura/Asura definition, so, Maṅgala, even though he is not Lagna lord or whatever but he is Sura Graha in Sura house, so he should be good. Same way, Mercury is Asura and second house is a Sura house, so Mercury should be bad there.
Gurvī Jī to that student: We only see Lagna lord, not Grahas like this.
Student: So, I am taking, Lagna lord, we can judge. But not rest of the planets?
Gurujī: No, we can. We are only interested in planets aspecting Lagna. Mercury in the second house is not aspecting Lagna. What I will do with it? We don’t have anything to do with it. Mercury is important only because it is the lord of the house where Lagna lord is placed. Very simple. It is the lord of the Pāka Lagna. Otherwise, how am I concerned? Maṅgala is in Lagna, we have to take seriously. Rāhu is in Lagna we have to take seriously. Because they are looking at (influencing) the Lagna. Our focus is on Lagna. So, any planet in Lagna, any planet looking at Lagna, I have to take seriously. When Maṅgala is in Lagna, the person is a deadly fighter. When he wins, he becomes happy. Rāhu in Lagna: he will get some terrible shocks. He may be cheated very badly. When cheating will happen, Viveka will not work. Completely, Viveka will be inactivated completely. He will be very mad, in a foul mood, not sorrowful. He is not sad. Saturn gives sorrow, Rāhu does not give sorrow. Rāhu gives kind of hatred, a disgust. So, naturally, you cannot be successful and shocked at the same time. Maṅgala is success and Rāhu is destruction of success. So, here is a person who will achieve and somebody else will take it away from him. He achieved it from Maṅgala’s strength and Rāhu stole it away. Again he will achieve something and again Rāhu will steal it. It will happen in his life again and again.
Verma Jī: I was about to establish two medical colleges in the country. Somebody took it. Ha ha. Two medical colleges, my brainchild, my effort, all my thing, I put it together and everything, because of my logic, that’s how. It was easily taken away.
Gurujī: Somebody came, became close to you praised you and this and that, …. cakewalk… walked away with it.
Verma Jī: Two medical colleges in the country.
Gurujī: Now you see the problem?
Verma Jī: Rāhu did it.
Gurujī: Vṛṣabha Lagna with Rāhu in it. He is Vṛṣabha Lagna with Rāhu in it, is it good? No, it is not good. Many people say it is good, I say it is not good. Look at India’s Lagna: India’s horoscope. Taurus Lagna with Rāhu in it. We fought one battle with Pakistan, big battle we fought. “This land is ours, that land is yours. You stay in your land. I stay in my land. You have taken away my land, I want my land back. I want my Kashmir back”. We fought, we won. Just as we won, we didn’t know what to do. We gave it away. Why did we give it away, I still don’t know today. You see? It is a very absurd situation. Have you ever heard, the person who has won the battle, is giving away the land he has won? You haven’t. Right? To date, I don’t know the answer to this question. Why did they give that land called Azad Kashmir, it’s a peculiar situation. So, that all the terrorists will go and sit over there. Why? I don’t understand politics, you know. Peculiar. Absurd. You get the point? Rāhu in Lagna, is not good. When Rāhu is in Lagna or Rāhu aspects the Lagna by Rāśi Dṛṣṭi, you will be cheated. It will happen.
Gurvī Jī: What are the other planets aspecting?
Verma Jī: (unclear)
Gurujī: So, it is clear? So, now you see that it is working. And, when I say it will happen; that means, it has to happen in your life. In this life, you will see it. There is no escape. Am I clear? So, confident predictions on life based upon planets aspecting Lagna and planets in Lagna! See, I am teaching you a new way to study the Lagna. Totally new way to study the Lagna. (to a student), Tell me yours:
Student: Vṛścika Lagna. Lagna lord is in fourth house with Jupiter.
Gurujī: Which of the Lagna lord? Ketu or Mars?
Student: Mars is in fourth house. What about Ketu? Ketu is in 3rd house with Saturn and Moon.
Verma Jī: Why did you take Mars instead of taking Ketu?
Gurujī: See.. So, Lagna lord Ketu is in 3rd house with Saturn and Moon.
Gurvī Jī: Rāśi Dṛṣṭis?
Gurujī: Rāśi Dṛṣṭi (on Lagna) is of Śani, Chandra, Ketu and Rāhu. So, poor thing… he can be under a lot of pressure. When malefics have Rāśi Dṛṣṭi on Lagna, the person will be put under pressure. Very high pressure is to be tolerated by him. Absolutely compulsory, no escape. What I am talking today, is compulsory. Don’t ask me for remedy. The only remedy is to face it. There is no remedy. Rāma Nāma should be chanted and face it bravely. There is no running away. There is no way you can run away from it. No escape. If I could not escape from Rāhu, what would I tell you? No escape. I am telling the truth. So, Lagna lord in 3rd house, 3rd house is Sura house or Asura house? Ketu is Sura or Asura? It is Asura in material life, and Sura in spiritual life. Please remember this about Ketu. Only Ketu is the exception. Please remember this. In the spiritual world, Ketu is the Sura. In the material world, he is very Asura. So, Ketu fluctuates. Sometimes it is Sura, sometimes it is Asura. God knows on which side you are. You yourself don’t know on which side you are. Why you don’t know? Because you don’t have a head, how can you decide? When you don’t have a head, how can you think? So, I don’t blame Ketu. He doesn’t have head, sometimes he is on this side, sometimes on the other side. He himself doesn’t know what he is. So, from the material perspective, let us study the horoscope. Are we studying material or are we studying spiritual? Viveka is a material thing or is it a spiritual thing?
Student: Spiritual thing.
Gurujī: It is a spiritual thing. Right. I wanted to hear this. Viveka is a spiritual thing. So, your Lagna lord in third, is a Sura Graha in Sura house, it is superb. It is with Chandra, which is very good. With Śani… which is very bad. Whose house is the third house? Who is the Kāraka of third house?
Students: Mars.
Gurujī: What else shall we tell from Mars. What else shall we tell from this house? This is a house of siblings, friends, those with whom we have one-to-one company. Parākrama. She will be very skillful. Very very hardworking. Lagna lord is with Saturn. She must be very hardworking. Very hardworking.
Student: (whose chart is being discussed): What do you mean by skills?
Gurujī: Skills means… whichever work is given to you, you can learn that quickly, right?
Student: Yes.
Gurujī: Look at that, Kāryadakṣatā. Okay you tell your chart (to another student).
Student: Gemini Lagna, with Moon in Lagna,
Gurujī: Mithuna Lagna, with Chandra in it. Chandra in Lagna: this is very good. I like Chandra in Lagna very much. It is very super. Person is a very balanced person. Your Chandra is good or bad?
Student: It’s good.
Gurujī: Yes, because it gives your social skills. You think, “what will society say, what is ethically correct, you believe in it, right?
Student: Yes.
Gurujī: Good. Okay, now you tell: (to another student)
Another Student: Lagna lord in 5th house along with Mars. Lagna lord Budha is in 5th house. Budha is Lagneśa. Budha is Sura or Asura?
Student: Asura.
Gurujī: 5th house is Sura or Asura?
Student: Sura.
Gurujī: Sura. Mismatch has happened. Lagneśa is Asura Graha and has gone to Sura Graha, so, he will get beaten up. He will get hammered. Why did the Asura have to go to the house of Sura? He will get hammered. So, the person has some suffering on that account. What is the suffering related to? What is the 5th house?
Student: Children.
Gurujī: Children. What else?
Student: Mantra.
Gurujī: Mantra. What else?
Student: Education.
Gurujī: Education?
Student: Knowledge, followers.
Gurujī: Followers, knowledge, subordinates. Do you think Mercury will be bad for knowledge?
Student: No.
Gurujī: Now, come to specific things. Now, we have caught the Graha that Mercury/Budha. Now, we have to look at five to six things. Will it be bad for knowledge? No. But it can be bad for children. Because Budha is (this word is unclear), so it can be bad for children.
Gurvī Jī: So, Mercury is students, it can be good for knowledge and for Mantra as well.
Gurujī: Yes, for students, it’s very good. Budha in the 5th is very good. But, it’s not good for children. So, in that matter, Viveka will fail. Now, what about Maṅgala conjunction with Budha? Is it good or bad?
Gurvī Jī: Budha will become more malefic.
Gurujī: Budha will become malefic but it will destroy Mars. It shows a change of attitude from being a more aggressive/angry person in early days to a more balanced person or a more calm person, Ahiṃsā, in later days. Maṅgala’s influence will be more earlier. You see, both Budha and Maṅgala cannot co-exist. When two planets show opposite things, both cannot co-exist. I’ll give you a small example: Maṅgala: what is Maṅgala? Maṅgala is war. Mars is war. What is Jupiter? Peace. Can we have peaceful war? What is peaceful war? Absurd! Either there is war or there is peace. Both things cannot happen.
Student: Cold War.
Gurujī: Fighting in snow. No. No. Understand the basic point. Try to see the point. Point is, Maṅgala and Guru: Maṅgala is war, Jupiter is peace, there cannot be peaceful war. Either there is peace or there is war. Absolutely never. It cannot happen. Similarly, Mars is Hiṃsā: violence. Mercury is Ahiṃsā: nonviolence. How can violence and nonviolence be together?
Gurvī Jī: But, we learn that if Mercury is with a malefic planet, it becomes a malefic.
Verma Jī: Yes, that’s what is…
Gurujī: Right. We are going into that, we are going into adaptation. One is violence and another is nonviolence, can you have nonviolent-violent person? It is absurd. It is just playing with words, you know. Either you are non-violent or you are violent.
So, what can happen? Mercury by nature is non-violent. When it is with Maṅgala, it changes to “violent”, so, his nature is changing completely, and Viveka is being hammered. Mithuna Lagna is supposed to be non-violent. What did he become? He became violent with Maṅgala. So, that’s not good, right? Will you agree with me on this, Madam?
Student: Mars is Sura planet in Sura house.
Gurujī: Mars is Sura planet in Sura house, which is so good. But, Mercury is Asura planet in Sura house, which is bad. So, who is getting beaten? Mercury. Mercury is beaten, you are beaten, you lost. You lost right? You should not lose. How to win? The only way to win is “the original quality of Budha vis-a-vis, (non-violence), accept that”. If you want to win in life and you don’t want to lose, because Budha is stuck in these situations; you will win when you completely leave violence and accept non-violence fully. Leave every kind of violence. Read more on Mahatma Gandhi and his Satyāgraha, you will understand what I am trying to say. When you tread that path, you will win. Okay?
Student (whose chart is being discussed): Guru is aspecting Sūrya, and Maṅgala is aspecting Guru.
Gurujī: Jupiter is aspecting Sun which is very good. Who is your Guru? You don’t have a Guru? You should have a Guru. You should find your Dīkṣā-Guru. When Jupiter aspects Sūrya, you must have Dīkṣā Guru. When Dīkṣā-Guru will come, your life will change. Sure, that’s my guarantee. You do only one prayer in your heart: “I want Dīkṣā but nothing else”.
Gurvī Jī: Where is Jupiter sitting?
Student: Jupiter is nīca in 8th house,
Gurujī: And Sūrya is in?
Student: 4th house.
Gurujī: 4th house! So, when you get that thing your 7th house, 10th house, first-class, all the houses will become beautiful, right? When that Guru will come, then it will happen.
Gurvī Jī: (unclear)
Gurujī: Value system associated with spirituality.
Gurvī Jī: Oh, Jupiter is aspecting Lagna?
Gurujī: Jupiter is aspecting the Sun.
Verma Jī: Jupiter aspect?
Gurujī: Trines, i.e., 5th and 9th always. Value system, you were not there. Take the notes. Just need to take the notes and read the notes, those of you who missed it. That’s value system. So, you need to have a Guru to activate that Jupiter. Jupiter is very important in a horoscope. Why? Why am I talking of Jupiter and I am not talking about any other planet? Because Jupiter is Kāraka for Pāka Lagna. That is why I am talking about Jupiter. Okay?
Verma Jī: In my case also, Sun is being aspected by Jupiter.
Gurujī: Which is good, you must have Dīkṣā. Dīkṣā is good for you. You will get Dīkṣā. When that Dīkṣā will happen, life will drastically improve. That depends on how you take Dīkṣā, whether you follow or not. Yours? (to another student)
New chart:
Student: Mithuna Lagna, Chandra and Ketu in Lagna.
Gurujī: Mithuna Lagna, Chandra and Ketu in Lagna. Very good.
Student: Lagna lord, Budha in 10th house.
Gurujī: Budha in 10th house. Where is Jupiter?
Student: 8th.
Gurujī: Okay. Ketu and Chandra are in Lagna. Lagna lord debilitated in the 10th house Budha. And, 10th lord Jupiter is debilitated in the 8th house. Is it good or bad? Please explain to me.
Students: Ketu is also debilitated.
Gurujī: Ketu is also debilitated. Correct. Very good. Will you say this is good or bad, Ketu being debilitated?
Student: Bad.
Gurujī: No. Ketu will come and give Rājayoga. Rājayoga. Single handedly. He doesn’t need anybody else.
Verma Jī to that student: When is it coming?
Gurujī: I have given this prediction for one person, Mithuna Lagna, Ketu alone. His Ketu was coming, everybody scared him, his hands were covered in gemstones, and was doing Mantras…all that. Everybody had frightened him so much saying that it was the 6th lord in Lagna in debility, “you will die”. I told him that “you will become so powerful that you will be in the government with prime minister”. “You will be that much powerful”. That really happened.
Student: Why did this happen?
Gurujī: Ketu! Ketu is Ketu. People give stories that this is very bad. Why it is bad? You take the principle: Ketu is Sura, Lagna is Sura, why will Ketu be bad in Lagna? From Viveka point of view. From the point of view of Viveka, why will Ketu be bad in Lagna? The person is going to be spiritual. Is it bad to be spiritual? (asking to the student whose chart is being discussed, Gurujī says:) Am I saying anything wrong? You are spiritual because of Ketu. Chandra in Lagna, it’s balanced, it’s good. You want the people …..You are very concerned with “what will people say”. You are very concerned. But sometimes you become Ketu dominated, “I don’t care”. Right? Both extremes are there. Lagna lord is in debility, Mercury. Is it good or bad, tell me.
Gurujī: No problem.
Students: But you said if goes to Mīna.
Gurujī: In the Rāśi, it is bad. But in Navāṃśa, where is it?
Students: We didn’t check.
Gurujī: Hmm.. Why did you not check that? The only smart fellow in the class. Where is Rāhu?
Student: Rāhu is in 3rd house with Chandra.
Gurujī: And, Śani is in 2nd house with?
Student: Alone.
Gurujī: Then who is stronger? Why shouldn’t I take Rāhu and why should I take Śani, then? In her case, what we did. In her case, why did we take Ketu? It was in third house, with Chandra and Śani, i.e., it was with two planets. Where is Maṅgala is alone? No, it was with only one planet i.e. Guru. So, who is with more number of planets is stronger, right? So, should I take Lagna lord in 3rd house for you or should we take the Lagna lord in second house for you?
Student: 3rd house.
Gurujī: The horoscope’s meaning changes completely. Lagna lord in second house is very group oriented. “This is my group, this is my family. I won’t go to that group. He belongs to that group, I won’t talk to him”. You are not like that. So, your Lagneśa is in the third house. You are always working to improve yourself. You want to develop more skills, more abilities, know more. You are very focused on improving the self, i.e. Lagna lord in 3rd house. Now, tell me is it good or bad, Lagna lord in third house?
Student: It is Asura planet gone to a Sura house.
Gurujī: Yes. Asura planet gone to a Sura house. He will get hammered in life, at least once in life. It is with Chandra, that is very good. And? Who else is there? No one else?
Students: No one else. Rāśi Dṛṣṭi: Lagna lord has Rāśi Dṛṣṭi on Lagna, Chandra also having Rāśi Dṛṣṭi on Lagna, Maṅgala retrograde is having Rāśi Dṛṣṭi on Lagna, and Guru retrograde aspecting Lagna.
Gurujī: So Guru retrograde aspecting Lagna is good, it is a Śubha Graha.
Student: Protect the intelligence.
Gurujī: Yes, it will protect the intelligence. Chandra and Rāhu aspect: Rāhu aspect is not bad because it is the lord of the Lagna. And who else is aspecting?
Students: Mars.
Gurujī: That is very bad. Very heavy pressure sometimes. Do you come under pressure?
Student: Yes.
Gurujī: Sometimes you come under pressure. I am also like that. Now, tell me which are the… So, what is the final decision, Rāhu is good or bad in your horoscope?
Student: Rāhu is good.
Gurujī: Because it is in third house. Because it gives Parākrama. But it is an Asura in a Sura house, so, in life, it will be good for you to be secretive. Why? Because it is the third house, Parākrama. More you try to be brave, more likely you will lose because Asura has gone to the Sura house. So, you try to do Parākrama on the Suras, you will be defeated. Because the Lagna lord is an Asura Graha. So, it is advisable not to do Parākrama on the Suras. So, what is the way out? Be silent. Maintain position. Chandra: take the path of Chandra, neither this way, nor that way, balanced. Are you able to get my point? Does this situation happen in your life that you try to walk the middle path?
Student: Leave whatever pressure put by Maṅgala.
Gurujī: In life, whatever pressure is put by Maṅgala, leave all of it behind. Focus on Chandra. Social values are very important for you?
Student: No.
Gurujī: That is not important for you at all. So, Chandra’s conjunction with the Lagna lord can modify the Lagna lord, it cannot modify Lagna. Are you seeing my point? For him, (some other student having Chandra in Lagna), social values are very important, cares about what people might think. But for you it’s not, why? So, planets conjoining Lagna lord will only help Lagna lord. They will not help the Viveka.
Student: Because it is not aspecting the Lagna.
Gurujī: Yes, simple, see the difference between Graha Dṛṣṭi and Rāśi Dṛṣṭi. Do you ever come under pressure from your mother, or elderly ladies?
Student: No.
Gurujī: No? Why you don’t come under pressure when Chandra is aspecting Lagna? We are now talking of pressure. Pressure is coming from the Rāśi Dṛṣṭi of planets. If Chandra is having Rāśi Dṛṣṭi on Lagna, should the mother be giving pressure?
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: What does it mean: Chandra is benefic planet, how can a benefic planet give pressure. No, we cannot see like that. We have to take lordships over here. So, it is 6th lord, but it is a benefic planet. So, Chandra being a benefic planet will not give pressure. But, Rāhu being a malefic planet, will give pressure. So, Rāhu as Lagna lord, and Chandra being the 6th lord, coming under conjunction, 6th is what house of service, house of work. He may be at severe pressure at work sometimes. Surely it will be there. Yes or no.
Student: Yes.
Gurujī: See, because Lagna lord and 6th lord have conjunct, so Lagna lord will not give pressure, but lord of 6th will. So, job will give pressure. Where is Mars?
Student: In 9th house.
Gurujī: Mars is in 9th house, in Bādhaka. Right? What kind of pressure will Maṅgala give? Maṅgala is lord of 3rd house and 10th house, 10th lord aspecting Lagna, Maṅgala. Work pressure can be very very bad sometimes. 3rd lord aspecting Lagna: 3rd lord could be “pressure coming from brothers, or colleagues”. 3rd house: what is 3rd house? Brothers, colleagues, and acquaintances. Won’t they give pressure: they will. Has it happened to you?
Student: Yes.
Gurujī: There you see. Are you seeing that it is the lordship which is more important when we are seeing “pressure” to check who is the one putting pressure. Who is putting pressure on me, that I will see from the lordship of the planet. If the 4th lord is a malefic planet, and is aspecting Lagna by Rāśi Dṛṣṭi, the mother will put pressure. Am I clear? If somebody’s 4th lord is Bṛhaspati, how can you say the mother is putting pressure? Absurd. They cannot put pressure. They cannot try to suppress. Am I being understood. Okay?
Verma Jī: Any lordships?
Gurujī: Yes, any lordship. 3rd lord is brother, colleagues. So, we took that from there. Pressure from brother. Maṅgala is putting Dṛṣṭi being the 3rd lord: I did not take Maṅgala as Kāraka of brother, I took lordship, 3rd lordship for pressure. I am taking lordship for pressure, I am not taking Kāraka for pressure. I cannot say that Sūrya is aspecting Lagna, so, father will put pressure. No, sir. In my own horoscope, 9th lord Maṅgala is aspecting Lagna, I know what is pressure. 9th lord can be boss, and it can be father. I have been put under some of the most severe pressures. It is there. What can I do. I have it in the horoscope. As it is in the horoscope, so you will face. You have to face, there is no escape from this. Remember that. You have to stand up and face it. Okay. Planets in the Lagna, are… Sūrya…
Students: Sūrya, Śukra and…
Another student: (unclear) to which Gurujī replies:
Gurujī: Now, don’t talk of pressures, I only want to talk about Viveka. Viveka, how it will be changed and influenced. I am interested in Viveka of the person. How do these planets in Lagna modify his Viveka? Lagna has Sūrya in Lagna. It means: “this is rule, everybody must follow this”. He likes rules and regulations. There must be rule. There must be regulation, everybody must follow rule and regulation.
Student: Conformist.
Gurujī: Conformist! Correct!
Are you a conformist?
Student: Yes.
(everybody laughing)
Gurujī: Why laughing.. It is good.
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: He will be. Definitely! I am teaching you simple principles of studying Lagna. Okay yours is done. What is yours? Budha and Śukra are there? Which is the strongest?
Students: (unclear)
Gurujī: Śukra is?
Student: 23 deg.
Gurujī: And, Sūrya?
Student: 21 deg.
Gurujī: What is Lagna degree?
Student: 27 deg 29 min.
Gurujī: Yes, what will be the influence of Śukra on him? Do you think he will like luxury very much?
Student: Greediness for luxury.
Gurujī: Greediness for luxury? Do you really love luxuries?
Student: No.
Gurujī: What about Budha, you like learning very much? By learning something new, the rules and regulations of you, previously, can be changed. Do you believe this?
Student: Yes.
Gurujī: How did I say it?
Gurvī Jī: Venus in the Kumbha Rāśi is not good.
Gurujī: Why it is not good? Why! If you say like this, then Venus is not good in any Rāśi.
Gurvī Jī: Because it is in the Rāśi of Śani.
Gurujī: From Praśna Mārga? Will you apply the same on Jātaka also? Why is it not good, it is in the house of his friend. In Navāṃśa, (in Śani’s Navāṃśa) there can be trouble. (scribe’s comments: here Gurujī might be referring to the possibility that planets in Kumbha Navāṃśa bring bad effects).
Student: He can face challenges from …; Asura planet in Sura house. Venus can be problematic.
Gurujī: Okay you tell.. Your intelligence fails when you see your wife? I did not say this, he said this… (everybody laughing)
Gurvī Jī: Venus in Kumbha is like Sītā captive in Laṅkā.
Gurujī: This seems to be correct. Venus in Aquarius is, Sītā in Laṅkā.
Student: From Viveka point of view, thinking, his thinking can sometimes be influenced…
Gurujī: Okay tell me, who is the Kāraka of Lagna?
Student: Sun.
Gurujī: And, you are having Sun in Lagna. That will be the strongest influence. Straight!
Gurvī Jī: Mercury also because Mercury has Digbala in Lagna.
Gurujī: Right!
Gurvī Jī: Budha is over-riding.
Gurujī: Right right! Is it clear? You caught it. Good. Now make him understand.
Gurvī Jī: Sūrya is in Lagna so we know that Sūrya is the Kāraka of Lagna. So, in the Lagna, it is the strongest planet. Mercury gets Digbala in Lagna. So, that is second strongest planet there. Together they are forming the Budha-Āditya Yoga, so, defeating… no, “defeating is not the right word”, it’s forming a more powerful Yoga than the placement of Śukra in Aquarius. Not getting good because Śukra in Aquarius is like Sītā in Laṅkā. It’s not very good.
Student: Ātmakāraka in Lagna can be good.
Verma Jī: We should not take Ātmakāraka.
Gurujī: No, no, no, no, no. See, we are talking about the spiritual, we are looking at Viveka. Why are we looking at Ātmakāraka? Why are we talking of degrees of planets?
Student: For Viveka.
Gurujī: How is Viveka attached to the degree of the planet. If the degree is more do you think that the person has more Viveka? Do you think so? Do you think this is rational way of thinking?
Student: Viveka is more spiritual.
Gurujī: Yes, Viveka leads to spirituality. Spirituality doesn’t lead to Viveka.
Student: I thought we can see Viveka and how it is associated with the Ātma.
Gurujī: If that be so, Sūrya is not Ātmakāraka?
Student: It is the natural Ātmakāraka.
Gurujī: Then, why you took natural? What is the difference between Sūrya and Śukra? Here, you made Sūrya as natural Ātmakāraka and Śukra is Chara Ātmakāraka, Lagna Budha is what… conjoining them and has become temporary Ātmakāraka? So, three Ātmakārakas are there in Lagna. What is the Viveka in this? How will you see it. Tell me, calmly.
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: That means somebody has got Ātmakāraka in Lagna he has become totally conformist?
Student: No. Kāraka for the Lagna is in Lagna and forming Budha-Āditya Yoga.
Gurujī: Budha-Āditya Yoga is important because Budha is having Digbala in Lagna. Śukra is not having Digbala. If Budha was not there then Śukra would definitely have an influence.
Student: So, Śukra is not having any influence?
Gurujī: Because of Budha! You see, where Budha is sitting, Śukra gets very weak. Who is supporting whom? This is Lagna. Had this been the 7th house, then Budha would have become weak and Śukra would have become strong.
Student: Because Kāraka for 7th house.
Gurujī: Because Kāraka for 7th house is Śukra. Because this is Lagna, Sūrya is strong. If Sūrya is strong, Śukra cannot be very strong. Because Sūrya is sitting in Lagna. If Sūrya was not sitting, Śukra would have dominated completely. It is not allowing Śukra to dominate, because of Budha. Do you understand? Budha is getting Digbala: directional strength. So, the person is interested in all kinds of learning, work, businesses, and commercials,
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: Let’s go to the next chart. That..you can study Amātyakāraka also, that doesn’t make any difference. Amātyakāraka cannot change Viveka. Śrī Rāma’s horoscope, did we talk of Ātmakāraka or Amātyakāraka?
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: You mean to say that if Jupiter was Ātmakāraka in my horoscope, it would have been totally different from Jupiter as Amātyakāraka?
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: No. Sorry. No. Viveka has not to do with intelligence. Viveka has to do with the discriminating power of the intelligence. Somebody can be very intelligent, but may not have any discrimination. I started this whole class with “Rāvaṇa was so much intelligent but had no Viveka”. I started the class with that. So, let us not say Rāvaṇa was not intelligent. He had better ….He was supremely intelligent. But his Viveka was Bhraṣṭa. His intelligence was heading in a wrong direction.
Student: It’s clear now.
Gurujī: Clear? There is no doubt right? Are you clear about your Śukra in Lagna? Now you tell.. (to another student, a new chart, a new Jātaka)
(the student whose chart could not be completely analysed who has Moon and Ketu in Mithuna Lagna with Budha nīca in 10th house). This student is saying: Sir, my chart was not completely done.
Gurujī: Okay Ketu and Chandra was in Lagna. That is fantastic. Then, where is the Lagna lord? Who is the Kāraka of that house?
Student: Mercury.
Gurujī: Mercury. So, that is fantastic. Lagna lord, being an Asura, is sitting in an Asura Bhāva, is very good. What is bad in that? It is doing its own Nīca Bhaṅga. The Graha who does his own Nīca Bhaṅga… What is the meaning of “doing one’s own Nīca Bhaṅga?” It is up to you to decide, whether you want spirituality or you want materialism. It means: whenever you will decide like, “ok, now I decide to earn money”. You will earn money. When you decide: “no, no, I want to be spiritual, I don’t want to run after money.” You will not run after money, you will get correct amount of balance. It is for you to decide. A lot of freedom has been given to you. That is a good position. What did they arrive at? Did they all arrive at that? Why? You directly jumped and skipped it? That is very unfair. See, you have done Nīca Bhaṅga just now by stopping me and telling me “my chart was not done”. That was Nīca for you, and you did your own Nīca Bhaṅga. Correct. You have used your Viveka. Good.
Student (a different student than the one whose chart is being discussed): My Lagna lord is also debilitated,
Gurujī: Yours too is debilitated? What is this happening suddenly..all nīca Lagna lord.. Okay, tell me…
This Student: Kanyā Lagna. Mercury in 7th.
Gurujī: Kanyā Lagna and Mercury in 7th house?
Student: Mercury and Sun.
Gurujī: In the 7th house? Lagna any planet?
Student: No.
Gurujī: So, Mercury is definitely very good influence.
Lagna lord aspecting Lagna from 7th house. Mercury is very good, strengthen Mercury.
Student: Asura planet in Asura house.
Gurvī Jī: What is the planet aspecting Lagna? Rāśi Dṛṣṭi.
Student (whose chart is being discussed): Chandra.
Gurvī Jī: From?
Student: 4th house.
Gurujī: Good. But Sūrya aspecting Lagna, can bring a lot of pressure. (Sūrya is in 7th house with Mercury, and has Rāśi Dṛṣṭi on Lagna). Sūrya is lord of 12th house. What is the meaning of Sūrya aspecting Lagna as 12th lord aspecting Lagna? Sūrya is a Pāpa Graha, what is the meaning of this? Tell me.
Student: Unwanted expenses.
Gurujī: We were talking about pressure. From where has “unwanted expenses” come?
Student: No clue.
Gurujī: Okay.
Verma Jī: (unclear)
Gurujī: No, no, no; try to get his answer and try to get his chart. What is the meaning of Sun aspecting the Lagna as the 12th lord? Okay we have half an hour left. Do you want me to continue with the last chart as Indo-US Nuclear Deal; or do you want me to continue with some more exercises?
Student: Exercises.
Gurujī: No. That; you people can discuss. You all can sit down together and finish the charts. That will be interesting. Specially get me an answer for that. I also have 12th lord Rāhu aspecting Lagna.. pressure.. from whom? Who is the person in the 12H?
Gurvī Jī: I have both 12th lords aspecting Lagna. No, you have 6th lord aspecting Lagna. We don’t see lordships in case of Graha Dṛṣṭi. Graha Dṛṣṭi is your Viveka. Rāśi Dṛṣṭi is pressure. Am I clear on this? Graha Dṛṣṭi is your own Viveka. Rāśi Dṛṣṭi is pressure from external, somebody else’s brain is being pushed on me, it is not my Viveka. Your only pressure in life is Sūrya.
Verma Jī: (unclear audio)
Gurujī: Correct, correct, many many.., I can define so many. And the worst kind of pressure comes from secret enemies. The worst pressure comes from secret enemies. When the 12th lord is in 7th house and aspects Lagna, then these secret enemies come from the relatives of the spouses or relative of friends or such people who open the doors for you. When the 12th lord is in the 4th house (Hṛdaya), the person will come as someone very dear to your heart and will blackmail you. (scribe’s notes: Gurujī has Mīna Lagna with Rāhu in 4th house, Rāhu is 12th lord sitting in 4th house, so someone dear to him did that). What can we do. Okay. All of you apply your brains and work out your charts. Do not go home without doing this. Work it out. It is better to make mistakes today than to make mistakes tomorrow. Okay, now:
Gurujī:
INDO-US NUCLEAR DEAL
Please apply the same principles in this chart and tell me how is the Lagna. It is Taurus Lagna, which is fantastic Lagna. The Indo-US Nuclear Deal was signed today on Abhijit Muhūrta, really fantastic time, sharp 12-o’clock; when Moon and Rāhu are in the 11th house, the best. Mars is in Lagna. The God of War, Mars, sits on the 1st house in Taurus.
Student: What was the day?
Gurujī: Thursday. And, Sūrya is in 10th house, extremely good. It’s a very big deal. Lots of Rājayoga in this.
Gurvī Jī: (unclear)
Gurujī: Both of them! Because 7th lord is also in Lagna.
Students: (unclear)
Gurujī: Is the Lagna lord well placed or not. Please give me an answer. Asura has gone to Sura house. So, what will happen? Śukra will want to become Bṛhaspati, so, Bṛhaspati will put a small needle in his eye. A little disappointment will be there. What does that mean? That means the Lagna lord in the 9th, very independent and a very bold initiative has been taken. Lagna lord in 9th: very independent and a very bold initiative. But Asura has gone to Sura house, the Asura-Guru has gone to Sura-Guru Bṛhaspati’s house. It is strong because Śukra is in friend’s house. It is strong. But it is not in a good house from point of view of Śukra. What does that mean? That means that it will be difficult for both Manmohan Singh as well as George Bush to get complete support from their respective congress or parliament. It is not an easy job. There will be very stiff opposition. But they will win. Why do I say this?
Gurvī Jī: The opposition will be from?
Gurujī: The congress or the parliament. It will not be easy. By the way, this is signed by two heads of state. This deal has to be ratified by the individual states. Unless that can be ratified, it cannot be implemented.
Gurvī Jī: Does it mean that we have to change law accordingly?
Gurujī: No. Not really, you know.
Verma Jī: But an old treaty has to be amended.
Gurujī: Which old treaty?
Verma Jī: There was an old ban on us, on our nuclear things.
Gurujī: That has already been lifted.
Gurvī Jī: (unclear audio)
Gurujī: The ban was on… there were three levels of ban. One was total ban in 1998 after Kargil. Right? That ban was partly lifted and defense personnel exchange took place from 1999. 2000-2001, it was further lifted, in which information exchange took place. “Free Iraq” war. Who gave the information about the movement of Osama Bin Laden? India gave the information. Our secret agent got it, and gave it. Who gave us information about the secret points where terrorists were breeding? US gave us the information. So, sharing the information. “Listen, I have got information about your enemies, and you have got information about this terrorist, so, let’s exchange our information on terrorists”. “You have terrorist-problem and I have a terrorist-problem”. So, that’s how our friendship became closer. So, then, information sharing was allowed. And then, gradually.. gradually.. gradually.. and then final step was only “nuclear”. And that too, this deal is not for nuclear weapon, it is for nuclear energy. So, where is the problem?
Verma Jī: Spares have to be given.
Gurujī: Yeah, some spares.
Verma Jī: Unless those spare parts are there, you cannot generate nuclear energy. You need a ratification because, you need an amendment because “Bhabha Atomic Research Centre”, the first nuclear plant in India was made by the US. The nuclear fuel was coming from the US. That nuclear fuel was stopped by.. who is that guy.. that madman,, that US President.. That guy named Nixon. Nixon is the guy who stopped it. He called India, “The Witch”, “Witch Indira”, the exact word. The moment he called Indira Gandhi a witch, the question of a lady having dignity talking to him, didn’t arise. Any lady. You can’t call a lady like this and expect to get away. There was no way Indians would have taken nonsense like that. You don’t use that bad language. So, the whole thing was a mess. The whole thing was changed after Reagan. Then Clinton, Clinton changed the whole thing. Bush has completely changed it. History. We are back to today where we were supposed to be. So, only point is, for Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, and only for the supply of the fuel rods. They will give it. It’s a small thing. Why would they not give it? Am I clear on this? You look at the chart and tell me, whether they will give it or not give it. 11th house is having Rāhu with a debilitated Mercury and the Moon, there will be no limits to the transfers that are going on.
Verma Jī: No limits.
Gurujī: You cannot even imagine what is going to be shared. It’s superb. Mars is in Lagna. All kinds of defense equipment will come. All kinds. Radars, and the testers, and the Jeeps and aircrafts of course..
Verma Jī: But is this to.. Lagna lord has gone, it’s also communications and contracts.
Gurujī: Lagna lord in 6th house?
Students: 9th house.
Verma Jī: For them, it is third house, for U.S. It is third for U.S.
Gurujī: No, no, because 7th lord is in Lagna, so, basically you can treat it as Lagna lord in the 9th for U.S. also. Because it is the Pāka Lagna for U.S.
Student: 6th house is enemy-house and Jupiter is there, (enemies will be totally defeated).
Gurujī: And Jupiter is there, enemies will be totally defeated. Totally defeated! It’s a very very powerful chart from the Indo-U.S. friendship point of view. What are minus points in this chart?
Do you think that they can come under any kind of pressure?
Student: Saturn has Rāśi Dṛṣṭi.
Gurujī: Right. This is what I wanted to hear. The aspect of Saturn is not good. Who is Saturn? Saturn is the dispositor of Venus. The parliament and the Congress. All die-hard congressmen in America, and the die-hard communists and leftists in India; both sides have their problems. U.S. has its own set of problems. India has its set of problems. So, all die-hard black and white thinkers in Congress in America, and all die-hard leftists in India. Why do I say leftist? Because of Saturn: labor, and the communist. The communist philosophy is based upon power to the labor, sharing of sorrow. I am sad, you are sad, we both must be sad, so, that is communism.
Student: Moon has…
Gurujī: Moon sign has nothing to do with communism. That is socialism. Moon is socialism. France is socialist. Communist is totally different from socialist. You can be a democratic socialist, and you can be a democratic-socialist. They are different things. Socialism is not bad. Socialism is the best thing that can happen. Man by nature, is a socialist. You have to live in a society. So, living together in a society, is a good thing. But communists are extreme, they justify socialism in communism. But in reality, they are not socialist because they deny your freedoms. Communism denies freedoms. That is why it is bad. Anyway, somebody else may have their own opinion, that’s fine. Saturn is the pressure that is going to come upon both India and U.S., as far as the nuclear deal is concerned. Which are the areas that you are expecting this pressure to come from? It is in the 3rd house, what is the meaning of 3rd house? 3rd is the house of brother, neighbour. Who is the neighbor of India?
Student: Pakistan.
Gurujī: Right. Right. So, Pakistan has already started putting the pressure even before the signing of the deal. All the Pakistanis have suddenly become very active. And we used to get messages, all kinds of emails, and TV this thing.. “India and Pakistan are like brothers, and we can share our things, we should be able to settle our things. Why do we need ….”. The point remains as far as the chart is concerned, Saturn sitting in the 3rd house, is putting pressure on the Lagna. Being the 9th lord, he is the Congressman. Being the 10th lord: it means work-related pressure. What is work-related pressure?
10th; which are the people indicated in the 10th house?
Gurvī Jī: The King.
Gurujī: So, pressure is coming from the king himself. What does that mean?
Student: People from his own party.
Gurujī: Yes, same; big leaders from his own party. That means … the problem in India is, Congress is not ruling alone. It is a group of people. It is the biggest problem in India. Now you see? Let us say there 5 parties. Who are the five parties? Congress, Communist, Samajwadi Party, RJD, … all these .. you will see that a whole lot of them have isolated Congress. The leaders, whether it is Lalu or the Samajwadi Party or all these, their votes are based upon Muslim votes. Congress is not a Muslim vote, Congress is an average Indian vote. Congress is a very average balanced Indian vote. Even Hindu votes, Muslim votes, I mean religion doesn’t play a major role in average Congress vote. That is the good thing about them. See, every party has a plus and a minus. The plus point about Congress is that religion doesn’t play an important game. That is the good thing about them. Now, the minus is that, they are aligned with these Muslim guys. So, what’s gonna happen? Do you see the pressure of Saturn? The leaders of these parties, the Communist, the Samajwadi Party etc.; they are going to put very very heavy pressure on the Lagna. And, Saturn is also Bādhakeśa, so, we extend that to, they will threaten to break the government.
Verma Jī: That the TV debate yesterday. They should not posit this threat.
Gurujī: They can even break the government. But that was Manmohan Singh’s challenge. If they break the government, Congress will come back to power, with tough majority. Today, if they break it, they will come with full majority. Indians are mad for Manmohan Singh now, he has proved himself. He has proved it over a period of time. The NRIs are supporting him. People of all religion and sex, who are peaceful minded, are supporting him. People are disgusted with this division of the country on religious grounds and this thing, Rāma Rājya the nonsense they are talking, this fellow talking nonsense about Rāma Rājya, another fellow is talking nonsense about Jihād and all that. People are disgusted, they want out.
Verma Jī: Would you like to take 4th house as Parliament. If it is so, then Saturn is in 3rd place, and partners are in 7th house from there. So, these are partners which are going to defeat them they are putting pressure on them.
Gurujī: Leaders of the ruling, not the opposition. Opposition will come…
Verma Jī: 4th is 7th from the 10th house, so the partners are opposites.
Gurujī: You mean to say that the parliament and the government are opposite to each other?
Verma Jī: No, no, no, see.. in parliament, they are partners.
Gurujī: If you are saying that parliament is the 4th house, then what is 10th house? Leaders. 10th house is known for the throne and the leaders.
Verma Jī: Yeah, throne. But if you take 4th house as the main…
Gurujī: Why I should take 4th house as parliament? Why should I take
Verma Jī: It’s the house of citizens.
Gurujī: Public is 5th house. So, 4th house is 10th to the 7th, the leaders of the opposition, if I have to take .. but I cannot because this is not a horoscope of the parliament. This is a horoscope of a nuclear deal between two parties. Lagna will indicate the home party, 7th house will indicate the outside party. U.S. is indicated by the 7th lord, 7th house, Scorpio. U.S. has come with Mars, Mars means fighting-power. He is in Lagna, he is king today, very powerful. He is holding the power of ruling the world. Mars will rule the world. In whichever side Hanumān Jī is, that will become king like Rāma. Straight. No further discussions on this matter. This is a very simple formula. So, Maṅgala sits on the 1st house, and Lagna lord Venus has gone to the 9th. You see? This is so clear. What is the problem? Ketu is in the 5th house. This is the public. The people of India are coming under Rāhu-Ketu axis, i.e., some kind of rethinking and re-alignment is coming in the minds of people. Minds are changing.
Verma Jī: That’s also the Ārūḍha Lagna for the moment.
Gurujī: Naturally, the entire thing. So, Ārūḍha means what, Ārūḍha is in 5th house, means? The people’s opinion about the government has changed overnight. Overnight! Many people like me were also neutral, it doesn’t matter whether this guy rules or that guy rules, India has no hope. Suddenly people are waking up, “no, no, they have proved themselves, they are good, they have done a good job”. I have been talking to many friends, they have done a good job. This is really good. This should have been done in 1947, but this is being done in 2007, they are 50-60 years late. But at least, it was done.
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: But that is good.
Student: What about the Dṛṣṭi of Mercury and Moon on the 5th house?
Gurujī: That is good. So, Mercury is retrograde, as 5th lord aspecting 5th house. Mercury is Kāraka for what? Work, right? So, the jobs in India, is going to triple. It’s good. What’s wrong with it? Economy and commerce and business will triple. India-US business will increase three times. It is very good for US economy. It is very good for Indian economy. Why should we not have it? What’s wrong! You see the purpose? How are the public benefiting? From any chart, when you make a chart, look at the 5th house to see how are citizens of the country are going to benefit from it, how the public is going to benefit from it. Public will benefit because of the trade. Immense trade potential. Immense. And Moon and Mercury: how many jobs are going to be created. Whole social structure is being redefined. Social structure is changing. It’s very good. Rāhu Ketu is coming: Mokṣa Kāraka Ketu is coming into the 5th house. People will become more spiritual. It’s good. We were just talking about Ketu in the 5th house. It is good, isn’t it? So, then? What is bad in it? Only Saturn. That they have to fight, it will be a deadly battle. It will be a deadly battle I am telling you. Manmohan Singh will fight a deadly battle in taking this to the parliament. Same way, George Bush will fight a deadly battle in taking this to the congress. But George Bush has a better chance because Mars is the 7th lord. Manmohan Singh has a very delicate game because Śukra is Lagna lord.
Student: It is in Bādhaka House. (scribe’s notes: for fixed sign Lagna, 9th house Rāśi is Bādhaka Rāśi. For movable sign Lagna, 11th house Rāśi is Bādhaka Rāśi. And, for the dual sign Lagna, 7th house Rāśi is the Bādhaka Rāśi).
Gurujī: That is good, why is it bad. Benefic planet Śukra in Bādhaka, what does it mean? It means that it can remove Bādhaka, by Śukra i.e. by talking nicely.
Student: Can we take Cancer as Bādhaka for America, because America is Vṛścika here and 9th from that is Cancer, with Saturn in it.
Gurujī: Yes. But you can see 5th house is coming into Pisces for America, and that is having Moon and Rāhu. So, public are quite confused as they really don’t know what the hell is going on. Is it not? Moon is with Rāhu. Average American does not know what the hell is going on. That means, they have to improve their information system. Mercury: they have to talk to their press. They have to inform the press. So, Mercury will inform. So, how to find out, when what will happen? By Daśās. Okay. So, interesting, we learnt a principle of Viveka and how we applied it to different charts, both human as well as mundane charts. We have 5 minutes more. I am open for questions:
Q&A
Student: Can we … (not clear afterwards)
Gurujī: Yes, we will go into the Vargas. If we go into the divisional charts, everything you can know from the division, everything, believe me. But, from the Rāśi chart, if you try to talk about opposite, that we can’t. As far as the physical level is coming, body language is concerned, here we have the Indian Govt. there we have the US Govt.
Student: Can we see the D9 to see the Bhāgya of that..
Gurujī: Of course, of course. See, the study of this chart is a different thing. It will be nice, if you all people study the chart and write a few lines. Just a few lines, points. Make a few points, bullet points, and send me an email. Or in the Atri-SJC group, send me an email to, are you a member; if you are not a member, then here is my email address. So that you can send me an email. Let us send me an email in the Atri SJC group and let’s see how far we can carry it. I want definite prediction. Will this pass through parliament in India and Congress in the US? The deal is very very crucial for the future of the world. The entire geo-political equation is changing with this deal. Earlier it was, UK-India deal. UK has benefitted like anything from India. Then it became Russia-India deal. Russia was a beggar state. We gave so much money to them. So much and anyway, with time we have lived a true-friendship. This deal is a good deal because America is very rich and we have super-potential.
Student: (unclear audio)
Gurujī: Who? That is physically apparent to you. What is not apparent to you, you cannot even imagine what it is. Really, I am not joking. What is not apparent, you cannot even imagine. Look at the chart carefully, you will get an idea, what I am talking. It is going to change the entire geo-political scenario and it cannot be stopped. That is my prediction. Study it if you can. If you think somebody can stop it, forget it. It’s not stopping.
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: Totally! And from which planet do we see the power supply?
Student: Mars.
Gurujī: Mars is what power.
Student: Electric power.
Gurujī: No. Electric power is going to come from Jupiter.
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: What is not visible for the public, you can see it from the chart and tell it to me in one minute. The main thing behind this chart, is a total military understanding. A total arms.. you see? This nuclear deal and energy and all is all 11th house, Rāhu in the 11th house in Jupiter’s sign with the Moon, social benefit, people-benefit. Rāhu with Mercury, Mercury 5th lord: people will have more electricity and power, in Jupiter’s house. All that is one side. What is the main thing?
Student: Mars.
Gurujī: Mars in Lagna! The military power. US-India military power tie-up.
Student: (unclear)
Gurujī: Yeah! The North Pole and the South Pole, they will keep holding the world together. It’s a master plan, brilliant. And they know that other than India, there is no point today, that they can totally depend upon. There is no other place in the world they can depend. Okay, enough for today. Now, please continue, 15 min or 20 min whoever want to sit, please finish the remaining charts.
